Ransom Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I think it would be nice to be able to look on the scoreboard or something and see a simple "Frame Limiter" - "On" or "Off" to show if a person has their frame limiter on or not. This could tie into some server admin option to kick them if its on because lots of people want to keep frame limiter on so the person with the super computer isn't getting quicker running, shooting, etc. Its also good to know for competitions to make sure theres fair play. Link to comment
Prokopis Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Yes and we'd also like to know whether ppl are downloading anything when they're playing MTA and what that is too . Link to comment
happyrock Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 And a list of tasks that person is running as well anyways ransom that sounds like a good idea. I don't see how it could that hard to do either. Link to comment
OpiuM. Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 And a list of tasks that person is running as well not on the scoreboard i hope , bvut with all this acess to others computers, isnt there a few exploits in windows ur not thinking of that MTAMA might open up with some of these features? Link to comment
happyrock Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 We need to fill that score board up with as much info possible. isnt there a few exploits in windows ur not thinking of that MTAMA might open up with some of these features? I dunno likey but then we could tell if someone was cheating Link to comment
OpiuM. Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 ur right, a few people being hacked is well worth it btw, the MTA community is nice, so i think that everone will be just fine Link to comment
Ransom Posted May 19, 2004 Author Share Posted May 19, 2004 Yes and we'd also like to know whether ppl are downloading anything when they're playing MTA and what that is too . Thats what ping is for. And a list of tasks that person is running as well anyways ransom that sounds like a good idea. I don't see how it could that hard to do either. Knowing if the frame limiter is on or off is important during competitions because someone with a super computer can get a huge advantage. I've had people firing a shot and a half by the time I've gotten one. Obviously you can't totally balance everyone, but the frame limiter makes a huge difference. If you have a friend with a super computer, try it sometime. Its basically like turning on turbo mode. Of course slower computers have slower framerates than normal, but thats no reason to feel that the frame limiter is okay to have off. Link to comment
Prokopis Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 [...]Thats what ping is for.[...] Excuse me? Link to comment
happyrock Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Ransom I was makeing a joke to Prokopis's comment. "anyways ransom that sounds like a good idea. I don't see how it could that hard to do either." anyhow it ment to say that I liked the idea and I didn't think it would be that hard to implement. and you didn't have to explain I know the ways the framelimiter can be used for evil. Link to comment
l2ebel Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 [...]Thats what ping is for.[...] Excuse me? y the hell do you have to know if/what someones dling? Link to comment
DrEaM4D Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 [...]Thats what ping is for.[...] Excuse me? y the hell do you have to know if/what someones dling? High ping I don't know but i only know this one ^^ Link to comment
ashdexx Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 someone with a super computer can get a huge advantage. Yea, thats too bad. This is like a tax on the ppl who can afford good systems, if your computer cant keep up, its time to upgrade. The only way you can ensure "fair play" is if eveyone is running the exact same computer, with vice on the same settings. There's bound to be advantages on the hardware end of things, and i dont think you should be penalizing a player, or even have the option to as the admin, because he has a faster pc. what a crock of shit besides that, turning the frame limiter off solves some problems, atleast for me, when i play. if i turn it ON, i see nothing but lod's while driving. Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 i don't like this idea, cause when a vehicle explodes (or bumps into something), my pc lags like hell with framelimiter on, but it doesn't with framelimiter off, so framelimiter on for me would make me slow down, MUCH Link to comment
Ransom Posted May 20, 2004 Author Share Posted May 20, 2004 someone with a super computer can get a huge advantage. Yea, thats too bad. This is like a tax on the ppl who can afford good systems, if your computer cant keep up, its time to upgrade. The only way you can ensure "fair play" is if eveyone is running the exact same computer, with vice on the same settings. There's bound to be advantages on the hardware end of things, and i dont think you should be penalizing a player, or even have the option to as the admin, because he has a faster pc. what a crock of shit besides that, turning the frame limiter off solves some problems, atleast for me, when i play. if i turn it ON, i see nothing but lod's while driving. Well if your pc(s) are so great, why won't it work with frame limiter on? Thats a laugh. Anyways, as I said it is never going to be completely equal, but the frame limiter makes a huge difference if you have a super computer. What you're basically saying is if you paid more for a hunk of metal you should be able to play faster than others just because your computer can handle it? Doesn't sound right to me. Most times people just turn it off so they can can shoot faster, move faster, etc. than others which is really sad. Especially when they hold a grudge against someone and they will do anything they can to avoid being beat you see this scenario. But yes I guess there are cases where people need their frame limiter off for some reason or other. Link to comment
Dgtadude Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 turning the fram limiter On will give u a MUCH smother game play . And yes . i totaly agree with your idea ransom Link to comment
Prokopis Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 y the hell do you have to know if/what someones dling? Actually that was meant to be taken as a joke... Point is, ppl with fast connections playing MTA could start p2p d/l's or any other BW hogging transfers and effectively slow their con's speed down as much as they'd want. That way they could create any sort of artificial lag and gain an advantage on the rest of the players fighting them lag-free up to that point. This clearly is an unethical method of playing/fighting and could even be a cause for banning IMO - although manipulating your BW to win more fights in MTA would take some serious "micro" . Link to comment
Ransom Posted May 20, 2004 Author Share Posted May 20, 2004 Yes that is true, but pings will show if your connection is laggy. That also tries to point out theres so many factors that showing the frame limiter isn't useful enough. But as I said, the frame limiter makes a huge difference and there is no way to prove someone has it off, but usually you can tell who does (without proof though) by their rate of fire, running speed, driving speed, etc. I just think its a nice thing to have when people want to have a fair fight during competitons and such. Link to comment
OrIoN Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 the game plays much smoother on my PC. it only gets up to about 250 fps tho. (i think it was around 300 right ater i cleaned alotta crap off of my PC) my game lags when a car explodes w/ frame limiter on Link to comment
Prokopis Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I dunno, there are so many things you could do to affect smooth MTA gameplay that you'd need tons of info just to keep everything fair and in check. There's also the fact that such changes might be somewhat violating in regard to personal data and privacy thereof. Hell knows, I'm all for a cheat-free MTA experience myself, but there are places you just can't go to achieve it and things like running processes, connection stats and current status, memory lookups (or whatever), ingame options like frame limiter, files in my GTA dirs, etc are just some of the things no1 else has any business knowing about on my comp other than me; the notion of "more security, less freedom" is one I've never agreed with. Besides, there are other methods to work with towards better cheat prevention and detection and I'm sure those will be utilized soon enough in future versions of the mod. (End of rant) BTW the frame limiter is just annoying, esp when you're trying to stunt with a PCJ. Last thing I need is a game running at 2x+ speeds when I'm running into lighting poles . Link to comment
Ransom Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Keep in mind though, I'm suggesting it only show the status of your frame limiter, being on or off. It would not be forced. I don't think someone knowing if your frame limiter is your innermost personal sercret, I mean is it really that big of a deal to you if someone can see if your frame limiter is on or off. I already can predict your comeback "Well then we'll be thought of as cheaters" well to that I say you just tell them your situation and if they want a fair fight they should turn their limiters off also when playing you. A more reasonable way would be to add an option for servers that can control if frame limiter must be on, have the choice of on or off, or possibly servers where they must be off. Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 great, all good servers set it to on, and some peoples pc will lag like hell =/ Link to comment
orappa Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I don't think this is really an issue right now. From what I gather by the previous posts, it's only a minority of people who have an advantage. So therefore, in mind of the issues such an implementation would have, it would be best to put this topic aside until it becomes an issue. Edit: I need to find more synonyms for "issue"... Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Edit: I need to find more synonyms for "issue"... you never heard of "porblems", did you? Link to comment
Ransom Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Edit: I need to find more synonyms for "issue"... you never heard of "porblems", did you? Whats a porblem? ps, you probably haven't heard of the word "have", have you? Link to comment
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