Zircon

About the different health bar widths in the last two pictures: I'm assuming it's because Hannibal's health has increased before he took the second screenshot at Vercetti Estate. Maybe the health bars decrease in width as the target's health decreases? As for the radar, I have no idea. Remember that GTAT 0.5 is still in development stages... he may add or remove things between tests and take screenshots. I don't know why any of them would be fake.

People who are not devs and use hacked clients can put an MTA tag in front of their names... otherwise, the client won't let you connect to a server with it. So if you see anyone with an MTA tag, ban or kick them, because they're probably cheaters.

Someone under the alias of "Ghosta" also flooded the ULK public server around two days ago. I couldn't catch him because he was joining and leaving so fast, and neither could any MTAMA script. It's likely an external program the manipulates the MTA client's connect and disconnect buttons through some simple API code... there have been such programs ever since 0.2.x; I've seen them before myself. It would be simple enough to find some way to safeguard against this. It's probably more than one person... just let the MTA team make a fix before you all start banning IPs.

Hm... being a former VCP member, I'm sad to see it go. Any members looking for a clan are welcome to join us, too.

I'm visiting through mtavc.com.It's most likely the new hotlink protection if you've installed it just recently. Maybe you should let it allow images but block everything else? It also makes the server status images not work if you're linking to them from another site.

Heh, I won't even bother to argue with you any further. I still think your rules are stupid. However, ULK has undergone many changes today. TLK was dropped, all active members were promoted, and ULK has become a closed clan (with a few exceptions, of course). Another idea was that we could rejoin the MTA community and participate in events... so we did, and I posted all of ULK's new information in the appropiate places. That includes the Official Gang Memberlist thread. Now, unless I'm mistaken... I've followed all of your guidelines, so if you would, add ULK to the map already.

Any non-cheating, rule abiding clan who wants to challenge ULK to a match, post here. Played War(s): 12/21/03 - ULK vs. KFC: Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 0 1/4/04 - ULK vs. TMM: [ Match canceled. ] 1/21/04 - ULK vs. KFC (Exhibition): Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 0 1/23/04 - ULK vs. KFC (Rematch): [ Match canceled. ] 1/31/04 - ULK vs. VCP: Rounds Won: 2 Rounds Lost: 0 2/1/04 - TLK vs. VCES: TLK's Total Kills: 58 VCES's Total Kills: 52 2/21/04 - ULK vs. TMM: Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 0 2/23/04 - ULK vs. NWA: Rounds Won: 2 Rounds Lost: 1 2/28/04 - ULK vs. WTF: Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 0 4/17/04 - ULK vs. FMJ: Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 0 4/18/04 - ULK vs. VCES: Rounds Won: 1 Rounds Lost: 2 5/2/04 - ULK vs. FKU: Rounds Won: 2 Rounds Lost: 0 5/16/04 - ULK vs. VCES: Rounds Won: 2 Rounds Lost: 0 6/10/04 - FMJ vs. ULK Rounds Won: 3 Rounds Lost: 1 6/11/04 - ULK vs. KFC: Rounds Won: 0 Rounds Lost: 2 6/13/04 - ULK vs. VCES: Rounds Won: 2 Rounds Lost: 0 Statistics: Played War(s): 16 Wins: 12 Losses: 2 Canceled/Fofeited/Tied: 2

We aren't official in terms of the ladder or events. I used the phrase "MTA clan" because we still play MTA a bit. By now, I don't care if anyone thinks we're not eligible for a spot. Half of the gangs on that map shouldn't have gotten one either, but of course, if I suppose the only requirement is stating that you're "official," then you're therefore eligible, which makes no sense. Some of the gangs on there are inactive, cheating, or disbanded, and yet ours isn't even considered simply because we aren't involved in the ladder or events.

Yeah, apparently Cerbera has his heart set not to add ULK to the map even though we just proved we're one of the most successful MTA clans out there. It's not that it matters if you won't add us to your precious map; we'll still take the construction site, and everybody knows that it's our territory by now, anyway.

That's strange... I turned off my firewalls and all of the images began to magically appear again. Any of you having problems with this, try doing what I just did and see if it helps any.

You aren't in the official gang list, so you aren't an official gang. And that keeps us from holding territory? We were once an "official" MTA gang, but decided to part from the community and all events because of some problems with other gangs and the big shots here; they did not want us. While we were still connected to this community they were thinking about suspending us, anyway. If you were even around to see what happened, then you'd understand.However, we're still a gang with 50+ members. We have two MTA servers, an IRC channel, a website, and are beta testers of GTAT 0.5 (and an official gang of that MP mod, at least). There are some gangs on your headquarters map that have none of that and aren't necessarily official either, or are incredibly inactive. If you'd like to put some proper reasoning into your posts before denying us territory, then please reply again. I tend to only allow gangs who are listed to claim territory so that it prevents founders of gangs which have no members taking up land which other gangs would be more deserving of. There are over a dozen gangs listed on this map and there are regular requests from people to be added or to change thier position or name. It is unreasonable to expect me to scamper all round the internet trying to harvest enough information about a specific MTA gang to ensure they are actually a gang which has members. The official gang list thread is where all gangs which are stable and have more than 6 members list themselves, and maintain thier member list. A gang which can't be bothered to even do that isn't one which is likely to deserve territory imho.Additionally, I created this thread with the idea that it would be used by gangs who organise team battles with each other, specifically with regards to the ladder tournament we run here. Gangs cannot enter that event unless they are officially listed and so giving them territory would take away a location which a legitimate, ladder-eligible gang could have taken. I am not disputing any statistic about ULK other than them not being in the official list. Zircon, if your clan has "departed from the community and all events" then why would you need to claim territory here? It certainly sounds like you're disputing a statistic from your first paragraph. You don't need to "scamper all around the internet" just to find information about us. Try going to directly to our website listed in the links below and taking a look at a few of the sections - that may help you learn more about us. We're not a new gang with 6 members and a total bunch of newbies; if you think that's what our clan is comprised of, then you're badly mistaken, or otherwise misinformed.As for organizing matches with other gangs, yes, that was our primary reason for deciding on a base and posting about it here. We don't go by the MTA official ladder - all gangwars fought with us are strictly unoffical and don't count as a loss or win for the other "official team" on the ladder. We simply post them in the league section on our website. However... you talk about "legitimate, ladder-eligible gangs." As far as I'm concerned, I have never seen VCT, [w*V], BDG, -E, or RR in-game before at all, and last I heard, VCPD has disbanded and [DRuG] is a cheating gang. So what you're saying is that even gangs of this kind may take bases as long as they call themselves official? You're beginning to make no sense. We want a base so that other gangs will know where our territory is if they were to ever challenge us to an unofficial match, or in case another clan happens to claim it before we do. I would recommend that you read the stickied post in our General board on ULK's forums if you're wondering why we left. We had our reasons, but this shouldn't exclude us from keeping a base. Again, we're not connected to the community in terms of the official ladder or other events, but we still play MTA and would like to reserve a piece of Vice City. It shouldn't matter if you're "official" or not.

Alright, none of the images are working for me, either. A few days ago they were working fine, then a few images started to break, and now all of them are broken. It's beginning to get really annoying to view the forums now because all of the broken images are stretching across the page and lengthening the tables. Someone look into it...

You aren't in the official gang list, so you aren't an official gang. And that keeps us from holding territory? We were once an "official" MTA gang, but decided to part from the community and all events because of some problems with other gangs and the big shots here; they did not want us. While we were still connected to this community they were thinking about suspending us, anyway. If you were even around to see what happened, then you'd understand.However, we're still a gang with 50+ members. We have two MTA servers, an IRC channel, a website, and are beta testers of GTAT 0.5 (and an official gang of that MP mod, at least). There are some gangs on your headquarters map that have none of that and aren't necessarily official either, or are incredibly inactive. If you'd like to put some proper reasoning into your posts before denying us territory, then please reply again.

Yeah, the construction building has 3 levels, no warp point (meaning no interior that has to load), it's indoors so it protects us from helis, and the building itself is very large so we have plenty of room. It's perfect. I picked that spot BTW, heh.

Uh... about the shotguns, they're actually one of the most effective weapons in-game. You don't have to use all of those weird aiming tactics everyone just mentioned, either. These mainly apply to machine and sub-machine guns (M60, M4, Mac10, etc.). First of all, you need to run or jump around your target to evade their shots so you won't be hit; keep moving, it'll help you live longer than standing still, believe me. Usually, you'll find yourself locked head-on with your target when you fight him (unless you surprise attack him). Jump or run around the person and shoot until one of your shots register and you knock him down. Now, here comes the most difficult part for most people: you need to time your final shot just right so that when he gets up, you blast him away and kill him instantly before he can even move. This takes practice, and a lot of it... but if you can pull it off, you'll be nearly unstoppable.

I'd like to do this sometime too... count me in.

Afraid that's not possible... your friend MrBump had this to say in the TMM thread: Enough, this is TMM_'s gang thread, for thier own gang business and annoucements, NOT for you all to invade and start a flame war / cheat accusation war. Accusations and discussions about wether they gangs or gang members cheat or not can be held in relevant threads. I will be suspending accounts of those that stray out of thier own gangs threads and invade other gangs threads too much. Be warned As for us being "cockbites" and flaming all the time... we never did that. From the very start people like Bump were flaming us for no reason at all in public, and now he posts this when we try to pull something like that. What we did was for a good cause, however - TMM accused us of "cheating" when one of our members respawned during a gangwar (which was totally out of our hands) and kicked all of us from their server, thus canceling the match. Now, we catch one of their members TRULY cheating and report it, just for a bit of... oh, revenge. So, now I ask, where do we post things of this nature besides in the opposing gang's thread?

But you do know however that no one will see a flying firetruck on their end unless they've made this modification to gta3.img as well. The reason the MTA team didn't include the image archive(s) in the CRC check I suppose is because car mods and such have no affect on other players. Some people also have a txd.img, depending on their video card... so even if the client did check for one or both files, it may not work due to all of the differences.

It's just that I've fought people new to MTA with pings such as mine (usually 200 to 300), and even with other people in ULK with lower pings fighting with me, and we had no trouble defeating them. However... when someone challenges me and I beat them, they blame it all on my lag and say that I suck. >_> Sounds like a scapegoat to me... I don't really think there's major packet loss going on all the time, either, unless the server doesn't have enough upstream bandwidth to provide or there are too many people connected to it at once. I think the only "laggers" we should be talking about here are the ones that stay with a constant 500+ ms ping: that, in my opinion, is when it starts getting bad... just from what I've seen.

Sure, technically, 56kers are pretty much "screwed either way," but my ping can remain respectable in a 12 player or less server. Yes, any higher, and problems begin... but really, any lower, and I see no difference. Unless you have a horrible 56k connection and your ping averages 500-900, only then will it start to look like downright teleporting and cheating. I really don't know what all of the bickering is about. Now I've seen some REALLY BAD pings in my day, some stuck at 700-900, and yes they were pretty much impossible to defeat. The other 56kers, however, that have better computers, modems, and phonelines can stay around 200-300; that really isn't all that bad, and are more common in online games such as MTA. It seems to me that 56kers and lag just seem to be a scapegoat in most cases, when they really aren't that big of a problem at all. Most people seem to forget that some of us may have some skill, but they refuse to believe it because the scoreboard says our ping is higher.

It was on all of the official MTA servers.

This screenshot was from a month or two ago, I think, on Robpol86's DM Server. My ping was captured at a bad time, please ignore that. o_O

No, a high ping isn't cheating, it's just an unfair advantage to people with lower pings. I wouldn't worry too much about it, lag hits us all and there's no reason to stop and complain about it. Some people can't get better connections, but that doesn't mean they have no right to play MTA, eh?

Why should we be? DeathB and Posty were only banned from the official IRC and MTA servers. That shouldn't limit the whole gang from not participating when only two members had gotten in a bit of a trouble. Oh, and DeathB isn't our 100% leader, everybody in VCAS has equal rights (for the exception of VCML members). He may be a step above us all since he's the founder, so in a sense, it's his gang to control, but he doesn't make most of our decisions for us. We're ready for official events anytime.

If none of you have anything relevant to say, don't say anything at all. This thread may be replaced soon.