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fix: changing the default chatbox style to the "transparent" preset ... but i guess people would start crying and saying stuff like "WTFLOMG THEY COPIED THE SAMP CHATBOX" and also old mta players might not like it. D; No, but most old MTA players would have the 30 IQ points required to find it in the settings... Besides, unless the chatbox is actually ugly (which simply isn't the case for neither SA-MP nor MTA) how it looks is a /care subject as far as I'm concerned.

Up to 24h.

Players need a place to be - so more roleplay servers is probably not a bad idea (even if I do privately detest them), but when it comes to the servers, someone needs to make them. For the players themselves, going for individual players is a possibility, but a difficult task. Going for inviting clans and communities that already exist within SA-MP would of course yield more players, but it also requires them to be aware of the fact that MTA exists; what makes it better and why they should move. In most cases, having a server or something to "receive them" will most likely make it somewhat more possible. We would, however, still need to convince the leader and/or upper hierarchy of that community, which could be difficult. Let's not forget most people who play SA-MP and know about MTA already have concocted a few (some very bad, some completely untrue, some downright retarded) reasons not to move already... Such as our horrible, horrible, but 100% customizable chatbox that people are so inanely fond of bitching about.

/--__--\ Son.. I am disappoint

Don't worry, it's just yet another wannabe Simbad De Zeeman copy in the making...

Of course, failing all else, you could try a normal keyboard layout like everybody else.

Yes, this doesn't look like an advertisement at all...

I wish I wouldn't feel an acute need to argue against that, but no matter. At least things are heading up.

By him posting here. Otherwise, the topic is still on-topic and I'm honestly starting to suspect he's a sampf** in disguise, since he minds this topic so much. Sugar: stop posting, please do. This topic obviously won't be closed no matter how much you whine. Why do you want it closed anyway? Why do you troll and spam in it?

No, YOU'RE trying to make it into a giant war and have gone way beyond the topic's initial point. Why you seem to mind this topic so much is beyond me, but I don't really care. We don't need yet another place where we can't talk about what we want, thank you! And deciding whether topics are to be closed is so not your job.. Again, if this discussion is annoying you for whatever reason, just don't involve yourself in it. You're free to hit the back button of your browser anytime, and avoiding this topic while browsing the forums should be a breeze.

Yeah. While MTA (both management and community in general) is a lot more forgiving about mentioning other mods, you might find it easier if you give up trying to defend something that's pretty much indefensible. You won't get banned for defending SA-MP here, but most likely, people will think you're an idiot. And if you're just gonna post "sigh" in an otherwise fairly serious discussion, why not just drop it? Nobody's forcing you at gunpoint to partake in this discussion.

As for "driving them apart", I'd say that is hardly even possible; the two communities are pretty much as far apart as they can be without an open conflict. I also don't see the illogical part of comparing two mods with the same aim for the same game. And the fact that you see this as "bull****" is really your own issue and not our problem. With few exceptions this has been a fairly relevant discussion and not a flame fest, in which case your QQ-ing would be at least partially understandable. I, for one, think "supporting" SA-MP's leader and/or management is undeserved and groundless to the point of WTF-ness. For the SA-MP fanboys that's one thing, and also the poor fellows who don't know better, or don't know how they're being manipulated. In my opinion, someone who's seen both sides of the conflict should really know better than that.

Yay, finally here in an important day!

SugarD-x: your opinion can be summarized in one word: wrong. Obviously, "non-profit" stops being "non-profit" when profit is being made. That's what "non-" means. I will freely admit I don't have detail knowledge of how much you'd have to pay for hosting the SA-MP website, forums and server list, but look at this: At the last time I checked, the Hosted tab list was home to 116 servers. (As of around 14:00 my time.) I will guesstimate that around 50% of these do use ServerFFS and thus pay €10. The rest will pay €12.50 because they don't use ServerFFS. (My, my, monopoly sure is profitable.) This is obviously by no means "valid" statistics, so if anybody has better ones, they're welcome to share them. Anyway, for one month, this leaves us with the following: 58 * 12.50 EUR = 725 EUR 58 * 10.00 EUR = 580 EUR In other words, for ONE MONTH, Kye and Woet rake in €1 305 or about $1 760 (USD) for a service with virtually no expenses or maintenance, since this service can be "piggybacked" upon any perfectly normal web server and almost, if not completely automated. And this is only the hosted list. Advertisement on the forum and the like probably brings in amounts that are nowhere near these, but they should still be mentioned.

Nice idea, but going through a database for something like this is unnecessary and cumbersome - however, until someone manages to put together a linux-compatible IRC module, this is an OK solution.

Yeah, the stats are even more amazing when you actually calc the total earnings per month. I was unable to find any statistics on the hosted list and server numbers at the time, and I was damn sure not gonna install SA-MP to find it out. Least of all early in the morning and while in a hurry.

You should be a diplomat.

Wrong. The fact that he and Woet charge so much for "hosted listings" and the like actually does make it a business. Hosted listings is a near 100% profit area since putting ONE DATA ROW into a database for a month doesn't really cost much. At least nothing remotely close to the €10 - €12.50 they charge per server per month. That money goes pretty much straight into the pockets of Woet and Kye with very little effort on their part. MTA is non-profit; SA-MP damn sure appears to be trying hard to get some profit with their AD spam, listing fees and let's say "marketing strategies": thus making SA-MP a business. They're taking money from people, carefully manipulating their customers (not that this is something a business should be doing, ideally,) and offering a service in return. I honestly have to say, when Kye has shut down and restarted SA-MP XX times, I suspect a large part of his reason for reopening it was the potential for money. I doubt he gives more of a "****" ( ) about the mod itself than the community he's busily oppressing. If it was about "fun" for Kye, then all the bullcrap would not have happened. And at the very least, he wouldn't have any reason for that totalitarian regime of his with its... distinct style of moderating.

[20:51] * SugarD ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: Because sex comes first) [20:51] * SugarD-x ([email protected]) has joined #mta

I foresee celebrating this great day with Johnline and arc_.

I... I think I love you..

The fact that he blackmailed GTANet into de-oping MTA-related people is well established. (Ask iJs and Blokker, or any network staff.) The threats he delivered to Peter are well established (you can ask him yourself, he hangs around in #mta) and the fact that he's had several DDoS attacks directed after him sort of suggests someone was really pissed off by him. People don't organize attacks like that without a reason. He has said before that he hates MTA (see quote below) and the fact that he lets his toadies spend 24 hours a day to silence anybody who even mentions it in a semi- or quasi-favorable way (and occasionally, any way that is NOT groundless flaming and lies) doesn't really give any reason for doubting that, no matter what he's said later. I don't mind competition per se, but I do mind people using rotten, underhanded tricks, blackmail, threats, and moderation practices that would make China proud. This whole drama-heavy story has interested me from way before I even started playing MTA; one of the last things I did before getting suddenly banned from the SA-MP forums (Reason: "unwanted") was asking Kye for his side of the story. I didn't really want to believe all the things I'd read (only a fraction of what I've read now and confirmed several places) and was honestly hoping he'd be able to provide SOME contrast. Apparently not, as he chose to ban me from the forums instead of trying to explain. If I remember correctly, he also banned the Netherlands once: not because of (D)DoS, but rather because of ONE guy... (Again: ask Peter.) The fact that Kye has sent tons of former SA-MP developers running away in disgust, has had several (D)DoS attacks directed at him, and is trying very hard to keep the truth hidden at all times, does not really make him appear that honest. I really can see why he'd try to hide this as much as possible, though.

Congratulations to the new mods Hankey and Gamesnert.. I hope they'll do a good job.

I don't know what you're planning to do (hint, hint) but setting element data on "system elements" shouldn't really be necessary.