chr15t05 Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 As I was practicing flying like a lunatic with the Apache, I was thinking, why not enable weapons on ALL aircraft. Any player knows that grabbing the Apache doesn't really give you a huge advantage unless you somehoe become VERY good with it. BUT is ALL helis and planes had weapons (maybe just guns for Non Apache) then it could make for some good air combat in what is already an awsome game. Just a thought.... btw where IS the cesner? Link to comment
l2ebel Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 well, i think then would everybody only fly helis (mess up the whole DM structure)... Any player knows that grabbing the Apache doesn't really give you a huge advantage unless you somehoe become VERY good with it. what do you mean exactly? whats the difference from a hunter to a maverick when both got no synched weapons? btw what IS the cesner? skimmer? Link to comment
Ransom Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 How annoyed would you be if you suddenly had your car blown up or you get gunned down from a chopper that his a built in minigun with unlimited ammo? Now take the anger x having it happen 1,000,000 times x hackers/cheaters being invincible and doing some bizarre/annoying/unfair things with it... thats why. n00b weapon, cheater weapon, nuff said. Link to comment
chr15t05 Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 Is that an African Swollow or a European one? Link to comment
chr15t05 Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 well, i think then would everybody only fly helis (mess up the whole DM structure)...Any player knows that grabbing the Apache doesn't really give you a huge advantage unless you somehoe become VERY good with it. what do you mean exactly? whats the difference from a hunter to a maverick when both got no synched weapons? btw what IS the cesner? skimmer? Hunter (Apache) has Rockets and Machine Gun. Mavrick (Bell) has no weapons at all at present. I see the points about cheaters and everyone using just helis. Maybe if (in a non cheater perfect world) it could be a game mode option. So you can opt to turn it off or on for your server or game. MTA Air crops (Maybe I should jusyt go find a good flight sim hey?) lol The cesner (Dont know what it's called in the game) is the plane. The one in the screen shots on the home page: http://www.mtavc.com Where do you find that??? Link to comment
Guest Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 the sea sparrow and the sparrow has guns if you just put in a sparrow in with guns it just fun Link to comment
l2ebel Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Any player knows that grabbing the Apache doesn't really give you a huge advantage unless you somehoe become VERY good with it. my 1st interpreting: with synvhed weapons: it gives you a HUGE advantage, you can kill the whole server in min. 5 minutes. my 2nd interpreting:w/o synched weapons: does it give you any advantage to other helis? The cesner (Dont know what it's called in the game) is the plane. The one in the screen shots on the home page: http://www.mtavc.comWhere do you find that??? this one is named "dodo" and the one of vc is called "skimmer" but its impossible to bring the gta3 dodo into vc (too much work). the mta team is trying to get the skimmer (waterplane) working for mta (btw,boats too) so dont even search, its nowhere to find in 0.3r2 atm Link to comment
ijsf Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I think weapons are kinda tricky to mount.. since we have to mess with the collision, models, etc. etc.. at least, that's what i think.. Link to comment
Si|ent Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 You seem to have missed the vital fact that the Hunters weapons have no effect at all in MTA, they are not synchronised so any damage you appear to be doing is merely illusion, to all other players you are just hovering near them. Link to comment
ashdexx Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 no, the weapons on the hunter / sparrow dont have any additional collision files or data, there wouldnt be anything more to those vehicles (physically) than you have now. except having other players know if it fired its weapons, and if so, the distance, and angle and rotational values from which they fired, to calculate where theyll land. Link to comment
ijsf Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I actually meant adding weapons to non-weapon aircrafts.. Link to comment
ashdexx Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 oh. well i suppose that could be done too, but ALL the weapon data is harcoded, from what vehicle has what weapons, to the firing position on the vehicle, there arent any dummy objects for them. at any rate, cool idea though it may be, thats getting a bit ahead of yourselves, yes? Link to comment
chr15t05 Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 You seem to have missed the vital fact that the Hunters weapons have no effect at all in MTA, they are not synchronised so any damage you appear to be doing is merely illusion, to all other players you are just hovering near them. AAAAAHhhhhhhhhhh..... I thought I was just crap LOL!!!! Sorry, IM new to VC. So grabbing the hunter and blasting away with rockets does nothing? LOL so much time wasted. Wondered why no one else on the server had grabbed it 1st. HA HA HA !!! Oh well, it's all good fun!!! Link to comment
dystopia Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 well, one time me and a few friends were playing, one hit a car and blew it up, and it just mystically blew up and killed me on my screen, perhaps it was a fluke tho, since it didn't do damage to me like it normally would have, just the cars damage happened to get transmitted? anyhoot yeah normally they do squat. and ass for all helis having weapoins, maybe make it into a gamemode "aerial assualt" or something lol Link to comment
Guest Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I don't think giving helicopters the ability to shoot is a very good idea. That would greatly overpower them, since they can outrange any weapon (?). And many people can handle helicopters quite well, so you would get, like said before, an air-combat, which ruines the fun in the game. And the one with the Hunter would likely win, since that is the only helicopter which can take out any vehicle in 1 (actually 2) shot. However, drive-by shooting would be a good idea though, that is alot harder to aim with, and you can only do that in cars and on bikes. I know that drive-by shooting isn't supported at the moment, but I was just mentioning it Link to comment
chr15t05 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 I don't think giving helicopters the ability to shoot is a very good idea. That would greatly overpower them, since they can outrange any weapon (?). And many people can handle helicopters quite well, so you would get, like said before, an air-combat, which ruines the fun in the game.And the one with the Hunter would likely win, since that is the only helicopter which can take out any vehicle in 1 (actually 2) shot. However, drive-by shooting would be a good idea though, that is alot harder to aim with, and you can only do that in cars and on bikes. I know that drive-by shooting isn't supported at the moment, but I was just mentioning it I totaly agree that is would spoil most games which Is why I have now changed my mind to "Make it a Game mode". Then you can choose to have an "air war" or not. VC is about freedom IMHO. Freedom to use what ever is around to win Link to comment
ashdexx Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 i dont know about it being its own game mode, but i definetily think it should atleast be a server option if they do decide to include it. either way, they would be very overpowering, and should not be in the main modes, and active, by default. Link to comment
Cerbera Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 i dont know about it being its own game mode, but i definetily think it should atleast be a server option if they do decide to include it. either way, they would be very overpowering, and should not be in the main modes, and active, by default.I thought the reason aircraft weapons weren't included was because they aren't operable by the SCM? One sure problem is that the cannon on the Hunter and Sea Sparrow auto-aim when the player uses them but I don't think this would be the case in MTA, as the SCM would have to be operating this.As for the rockets, this would be difficult as the angle at which vehicles are at is not transferred quickly enough (and sometimes the up/down rotation isn't transferred at all) and so would result in the person shooting the rockets seeing them hit one location whilst everyone else would see them hitting other locations. In principle I'm all for them in normal gameplay as long as there is at LEAST one tank which can fire. That way you could shoot down a Hunter by finding a ramp, bank or other slope from which you could aim the barrel upwards. Additionally, the Hunter takes only a couple of seconds to shoot down using the M60, so people who took it wouldn't be as invincible as you might think! Link to comment
[KFC]KungFu Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 AAAAAHhhhhhhhhhh..... I thought I was just crap LOL!!!! Sorry, IM new to VC. So grabbing the hunter and blasting away with rockets does nothing? LOL so much time wasted. Wondered why no one else on the server had grabbed it 1st. HA HA HA !!! Oh well, it's all good fun!!! This is too funny. You can tell when someone is trying this because they just point the heli at you and never swoop in. Link to comment
Death_Spectre Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I always thought the hunters weapons damaged vehicles...but anyway. Had a nasty experience with the hunter the other day....someone decided to go around with it and park in spawn buildings. Biggest cheater ever. Yesterday I saw a flying fire truck destroy 4 helicopters so even if all helis had guns that damaged they wouldn't be invincible. Still not a good idea though considering how well even a noob can handle a helicopter. Link to comment
Chewd Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 just curious why everyone is so concerned about helicopters having unlimited ammo? Heli's aren't that hard to blow out of the sky.... and if that's a major concern... limit the ammo or make it very difficult to get more. Same goes for the tank..... Link to comment
ashdexx Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 yea, limit the ammo. and exactly how are we going to reload a hunter, hmm? its not like there are weapon pickups that give ammo to vehicles, once the hunter runs dry, then what? the entire point of having the hunter would be to shoot continuosly... Link to comment
ACIDman Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 It was fun to fly and shoot Apache at first but then I changed my mind . So, yeah, now I'm for limiting the ammo, for cheaters' sake . Link to comment
[KFC] Smeg Head Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Yeah, but get a kindof refill at the army base. I agree on the cheater thing. Link to comment
ACIDman Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I don't think it's possible. There's no AMMO when you get in a heli, so in order to pick up the ammo you need to have a weapon. I don't know but I don't think it's possible. People can live without refills - just blow the 'empty' Apache up near the army base and the new one will appear within one minute. Sort of simple, but will prevent from massive unexpected machine gun/rocket attacks. Link to comment
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