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I think because that would be making money on this would be considered copyright infringement of some kind, wouldn' it? Not sure, but I think that's the basic reason why.

Will you quit following me from forum to forum!! Damnable fiend!

I don't normally contradict one of the programmers, this is their baby afterall, but as I said before this doesn't work... The above strategy is completely useless against the car n00bs. You can blow up every car on the map and they'll run to the next.. You'll run out of ammo before they run out of cars. In a morbid experiment of self abuse, I tested this theory... I was chasing the guy from car to car for 15 minutes... The suggested tactic doesn't work against them, I don't know what the solution is because it winds up boiling down to the integrity and decency of the player. Integrity and Decency are in rare supply on GTA III servers. I see more script-driven admin-slaps then I see regular conversation in any given day on the Official (Which is pretty much the only place I play GTA III regularly, and that's become tedious now). It's the GTA III Engine that causes this problem I belive, and you might not have a solution available, but that doesn't mean I have to say "It's ok, carkill me over and over again"

There's women out there for you, you know... But I strongly suggest you save your money. Durn kids.. One track minds I tell ya!

The stubby has always been the dominant gun. Just by it's nature alone it's incredibly effective. I don't see what you mean by the M60 having changed. The only change I've seen is the decrease in ammo for it. Aiming has been improved to the point where I can actually use a long range weapon and hit folks now, so I just don't see where you're coming from. I've seen the long range guns used effectively, I've seen all the weapons used effectively with the exception of the meele (But that's because folks rarely get to use those) in .4. Can you be more descriptive as to how it's changed and what you don't like about it?

You're a lonely little fella, aren't ya?

As has been stated in the past, GTA III is a different system.. How are we supposed to have a hold / defend war when we only have a pistol and bat to fight with? Has there been any talk anywhere about a system for gangwarring on GTA III? I can see an outright deathmatch for points, that would at least allow for a bit of money coming in to purchase the tools of the trade.

I beg to differ... Those who spawn war kill anything that moves through the area. While it is possible, it's not so simple as "you won't get hurt if you sprint straight out of there". They're less frequent because the other weapons work pretty effectively now with the new aiming fixes and people are branching out. More power to them. Spawn wars, as Bump said, boring and unimaginative. And I've never had to drive 10 minutes to find a fight, weather that statement was an exageration or not, I always seem to find someone to fight pretty quickly. And though I'm sure I'm probably one of the few people who understand this, but spawn wars kind of defeat the beauty and spirit of what MTA has grown into. It's a broad reaching game that scatters you, cars, weapons and healths all over the map. While the fights are fun, getting there is part of the fun. There's something nice about the drive to find your prey. Feels more accomplished then spawn, take 3 steps, die or kill, lather rinse repeat. You never see the rest of the map, you miss out on the skidding around corners and u-turning around a sharp bend to get back behind the guy you just spotted. It'll be nice once they synch up drivebys.. You'll never get away from a guy on a bike again =) In short, spawn wars kind of defeat the spirit of the game. You're not even using most of the work the MTA team has put into this over the last year. Plus, you'll never get a nice variety of weapons to use, which in turn changes the strategy you have to employ, which in turn adds longevity to the game you would soon grow tired of if all you did was spawn war.

Excellent Video =) Two stubbies up! I'm never in any movies.. I must not hang out with the right crowd

Learn to dodge it he says... So when you're flying around in your infernus (Which I always see you in) and I'm fighting someone I'm supposed to be able to dodge someone flying by at 120+ mph? Heck, I'm on the street without anyone to fight and I'm still supposed to dodge it? Kind of difficult when I have a split second to jump out of your way and when I DO get away from your stupidity, you just turn around and do it again. You're not the worst case scenario, but you're a pretty damn good example. You race the turismo over and over, but I never see you spending the money. I rarely see ANYONE kill someone with a weapon in there, if it is it's usually a colt probably because someone caught someone spawning and semi-AFK and decided to take them out. This is a GAME.. it's not about realism. If I wanted Realism I'd play America's Army or something along those lines. It's not realism to be able to run into a store and buy a Flamethrower, AK47 and a Shotgun... It's not realism that you can hop into any old car and drive off with it... It's not realism that you can run through a parking lot and all your pain and injury goes away... It's not realism that you can drive a car off a cliff, roll it down a hill onto a beach where it bursts into flames and then you can get out and run a few paces away and turn to watch it explode... It's not realism to drive a prop-plane off a cliff and be able to soar off into the blue yonder.. This is a game, and the carkilling has left me with no other real option but to ignore the GTA III server. I peek in from time to time and I see a combined kill count of like 7 tops, perhaps 8... That means folks aren't actually fighting, they're flying, car killing or racing.. And since I see alot of SoandSo died (Vehicle) and SoandSo killed Himandher (Vehicle) I can already see what's going on and I move off to find a real fight. And the maturity level on the GTA III server seems about 7 notches below the VC server as well. One thing that strikes me a funny is that I can come in there and be out for a fight and I can take down 2 or 3 folks with only minimal harm. People haven't learned how to fight effectively in GTA III yet, either by choice or design, the challenge is simply NOT there.

Boy, I've GOT to read this thread more often! So.. Last post I saw about a war was like a month ago, I'm assuming that weekend is out... Note to self, read the gang thread more often

Go Xenex, Go Xenex, it's yer birthday, Go Xenex! I almost feel like I've been witnessed to after reading that! Testify!

Say what?! I rented VC back when it came out for my PS2 and it looked like crap, I couldn't see squat and everything was blurry. PC version (which I pre-ordered after renting the PS2 version) far out reaches PS2, from what I've seen.. Not only that but the resolutions are adjustable.. Put it up in 1280 x 1024 and we're talking Immersion value bonus!

lol I just noticed that You're just NOW noticing that? Hmph! It's been there for ages... Mentioned in passing in IRC one day and I liked it so much I stuck it in

AMEN Yes, that is the NOOB thing to do. But I made this topic talking about the occasional fun car killing spree you sometimes want to have. But if my car blows up, I dont go for another one, I grab my guns and shoot the guy (which is why i make sure i have a shotty or flamer when I'm drivin around) But the chronic cases are what I see all the time.. I've rarely seen the casual car killing. They are running rampant and it's destroying what was a good game. Like I said, the occasional isn't the problem, it's the idiots who do nothing but, and they outnumber the occasionals

I can't belive some of the responses I'm seeing in here. I have no issue with the occasional car kill in GTA III... Note that word... OCCASIONAL. However, more times then not, you can be shooting and shooting at them, jumping over and around them, trying to take the car away from them, etc etc... I can avoid a car n00b quite often, but when I finally DO take out their car, they run for another one nearby and I have another car to jump, dodge, shoot and steal... I take that one out, they go to another These fucktards don't have any skill, they don't care about money or kill count and they do these things intentionally to piss people off. Yea, I can jump on a wall or sink to their level but when they finally get their car taken out, they just run to another one, lather rinse repeat.. There are those who do nothing BUT car n00b... I've seen it, I've watched it and I've grown weary of it. I was on a server recently and it was like a swarm of bees... 3 or 4 car n00bs flurrying around me like flys on shit. As well as for the weapon pickups after running someone down, they HAVE good weapons, they are well armed and instead they stick in their cars and try to run me down. I've seen THIS more often then not. Get the hell out of your car and fight like you got a pair, you don't get paid, you don't get score and you often end up paying someone else! Do you not see how rediuculous it is? It's in the same category as Heli-killing... It's not n00bish unless that's all you do. And I've seen more examples of chronic car killing (Those who do nothing else) then I have seen the nickle and dimers.

Actually, if you want to get particularly anal about VC's storyline.. Tex Avery actually started the War between the Hatians and the Cubans to lower property values. He sent Tommy over as a Cuban to start the fuss by attacking them at the funeral. The infinate exploding coffin mission Why don't we have exploding coffins in MTA!?! HUMPH! On a side note, I agree.. Just because I don't find something racial doesn't mean that I am one

lmao... you didn't??? Obviously you didn't get to the objective that tells you to, "KILL ALL THE HAITIANS!!!" http://www.wehaitians.com/an%20extremel ... 0game.html http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/gran ... 85346.html And I mean this is just one example... if you've played the game all the way through and you didn't think it was racist - then you obviously are too. Someplace else in these forums, or perhaps it was on IRC, someone pointed out (Either through an article via link or a post in here) that Vice City was set in the 80's, when gangs were identifying themselves as racial groups anyways. There were hatian gangs, there were cuban gangs, there were mexican gangs, asian gangs, all of these were perfectly normal representation of 1980's Urban reality. Add on top of that, this is just a game... Just... a... game... The Society of Perpetually Pissed Off People (SOPPP [tm]) loves to pounce on things like this just so they can get on their soapboxes and scream alot. The SOPPP reaches into every facet of the real world, including video games and turns little things like this into "Issues". These SOPPP folks are the same folks who have made it perfectly legitimate for people to be robbing a house, fall through the skylight and impale their leg on a butcher knife and then sue the owner of the house they were robbing for their injured leg and win. It's rediculous how there's always someone ready to stand up and cry "FOUL!" over little things like this. Blegh

kentucky fried chicken it is a food chain Not in MTA-land it ain't! * whacks DeathB with his cane * Wise up Sonny!

That's not a food chain.. or even a "fooc" chain! Oye... Kids these days.. * scratches his beard * Dang youngin' terday just don't remember the old days! [K]ungfugrip [F]an [C]lub

Grrrrrrr Ok... That's like 4 or 5 posts where you're bitching about the Stubby... Quite obviously you don't like the new one. They didn't really "mess with it" they did two things, 1) Fixed a heavily exploited glitch, which I can only imagine you fully embraced and abused from the amount of griping. 2) They brought it more into balance.. The Stubby is the only weapon I know of that can kill you in a single shot, it needs some backlash to that kind of power, they've added this backlash. And from me, a fervant stubbier since .2, The new modus operandi (That's probably spelled wrong) has changed and just needs some adaptation. You can't exploit anymore, so sorry.. Time to relearn young grasshopper. Until you do, you'll probably continue with the complaints and annoy everyone. Time to learn...

no kidding... I was loving the Crusader and the SS.. but I had to go to the robber spawn if I wanted to kill anyone... I'm growing rather fond of the SS myself =) I don't care about the balance, though you are right in that regard.. I'm just glad the glitch is fixed. I've been wanting admins to make that a kickable offense for a while =) * ploinks KungFu with a wiffle bat * Duh.. I know that.. I wasn't asking for locations, just a yes or no if there's new weapon spawns or not. I was too busy going ooo and ahhh at the char select screens to to worry about exploration yet. Someone else in this thread said "I think they're live" yes, they are, you can see where folks are at around the spawn area in motion. Amen... Woo Hoo! Is this where I feel all honored and stuff?

I always enjoy reading the bitch and praise posts of any new game, update, expansion or otherwise.. Always good to see what people think. Pros: The aiming IS more accurate, I think. I can't be 100% sure but it sure seems like it I love the new character select method with the camera view and all of their spawn points More variety of melee weapons, I could care less if it's swung like a bat or a golf club Weather! Yes I know, people are bitching about this already but I think it adds a new dimension to the game. I was flying a chopper around in heavy fog last night and it was rather cool =) GTA III, say no more.. I've been wanting hills back for a while now The Stubby Glitch fix! Horray! Horray! That weapon switch stubby glitch was annoying, rediculously overused and pretty much made me want to puke every time I saw someone abusing it. I'm glad it's fixed, I've already heard folks crying about it being fixed and I had to smile. Time to learn a new method of fighting without abusing that glitch.. So sorry... More variety of cars! Cuban Hermes, Taxis, 2 Deluxos, FBI Washington, Vice Cheetah, Admiral to name a few.. I don't know 100% of all the locations yet, but I only had the opportunity to play for a short while last night (Duh, lurking around IRC to get the client afterall ) Multiple Spawn points within a spawn... This is a good thing, adds flavor and variety to the class you choose and helps stem the tide of direct spawn kills Cons: I have noticed more crashes, but I think some of them are overcomeable. I have no way to prove this just yet, but if you let the camera image come all the way into view, including that green-screen lines thing finish out THEN hit Enter to get into that character it doesn't seem to crash. This will have to be tested more to prove, but just as an idea I think I caught. It seems that it needs to do one of those "Welcome to Vice City" screens mid-way through the green-lines screen thing and then restart the green-screen. If you hit enter before that happens (When it does happen, I haven't seen it do it every single time yet) it crashes upon entry. Like I said, just a theory, no garuntee Jumpy opposition... I have noticed that folks are choppy and jumpy a bit when I'm fighting them sometimes. It would seem that certain players would be fine at one point and when I found them later, they'd be jumpy and choppy. This may be that weather issue that folks are complaining about, but I could have SWORN it was during a nice patch of weather. I haven't noticed any major issues on my side of the screen with weather. GTA III --> People are bitching about the color issues in GTA III, I want to point out to folks that the whole blue hue thing that happens is NOT anything the MTA team can do anything about, it's a problem with the engine of GTA III, not anything they can fix. Relax and go kill someone in your bright neon blue Kurama GTA III --> I know that the MTA GTA III is supposed to be a different "kind" of game, the strategy is different and the goals are a little different too. You can't go rushing blindly into battle expecting to win and not worrying about death. In VC, you can do this, because if you die you'll get a nice fresh cache of weapons and go right back at them... In III this is not the case, you need to pick your fights and be a little sneaky because dying and eventually running out of money makes you VERY much at a disadvantage while those that kill you are getting richer and richer, making them more powerful in terms of money and equipment. I'm not sure if I like this or not, perhaps I merely need to adjust to a new mindset for playing GTA III MTA or something. It took only an hour of the clients existance for folks to start up with a lame ass robber spawn war. Blegh... Get the hell out of the start area and go drive a nice new Sabre someplace will ya please!? (As a side note, this is where I heard folks bitching about the stubby glitch being fixed. hee hee hee) Questions: Is there an extended synchronization of cars this time around? i.e. Car remains synched 20 seconds or so after someone departs the vehicle I couldn't tell if the range issue (Not really a problem, just an issue) with thrown weapons was fixed or not. Can someone give me a yea or nay on this please? Due to the limited time I had to play last night, I wasn't sure if there were new weapon spawns added / removed / moved around. Has there been any change to weapon spawn points? Misc: Thank you MTA Team for another chapter in the growing online gameplay for our favorite games =)

How about Stanley Myron Handleman?

Having gotten more and more burned out on Vice City, you'll see me in Liberty City for a good long while, getting my hinder kicked from the firestation to the docks. Maybe... Just maybe... I'll be able to reclaim some of that glory I had in Vice City's earlier days. * sniffles * Memmmmmories... in the corner of my mind.... misty water-colored memories..... of the way we were..... Scattered pictures... Of the smiles we left behind... ACK! Stop me! Been waiting forever for this thing since .3b was such a glitchy program. * insert rude comment here for those who forced them to rush it out * Hills... Beautiful Hills... How I miss thee! BUT.. I know full well when they're going to release it. I'm leaving on a rather extended vacation next week, I just KNOW they'll be releasing it the day after I leave. Evil Bastards... They're monitoring my flight, I know they are! Wonder how much it would cost to buy a laptop with a modem and then use those little phones on the back of the seats in an airplane? Somebody stop me! Oh wait.. Here's my boss... He'll stop me! Hi th... * DISCONNECTED *