The future of MTA is coming.

[gamebro]

Well, I have not been playing MTA for quite some time now. Like everyone else I find myself tired of 5.0.

Did I have more fun with 3.2?........................ yes!

BUT ONLY BECUASE IT WAS NEW TO ME BACK THEN!

Face it, the real problem here, isn't that 5.0 sucks, IT IS THAT WE ARE ALL TIRED OF THE SAME OLD GAME on a gerneral level. For YEARS we have played this same aged game. For YEARS!

Now if 5.0 came out at the same time as 3.2, I would have had more fun with 5.0 and spent more time in it, then I would with 3.2. You veterans say 5.0 sucks cause BLAH BLAH BLAH is missing, or BLAH BLAH BLAH was changed.

Bullshat! You are just like me. You are just bored of the same old thing... day after day, year after year.

Fixing the stubby will do what?

Fixing the m60 will do what?

Allow you to perform the same old kill?

Relive the same old experiences?

Is this what MTA was really about?

No, I think the real problem with NOW, is we are ready for the NEW. Even if Vice City, and GTA3 played perfectly synched and smooth, I would still personally be kinda bored.

Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas. ...... This is our furture. This is our promised land. Finally a game, that does not have to revolve around combat, in order to be fun.

We can all get together and have bicycle races up the mountain race track, then skydive together with parachutes (cliff diving)

Gamble together in the casinos.

Have SEMI TRUCK races, with attached trailors, (you loose if you loose your trailor)

Fly together and skydive

HAVE FASHION SHOWS!!! (my guy would win for sure- FAT, no shirt, White socks, Sandles, dorky glasses, an no hat.)

Demolition Derby

Races across a variety of exciting places

WW2 DOG FIGHTS WITH THE RED BARRON PLANES (the mounted machine guns work in this game)

Cops and Robbers HIGH SPEED CHASES! The criminal can head for the hills and hide in rivers, bushes ect.

Swimming contests, or diving adventures anyone?

AIR SHOWS

Dance Competitions

Tweaked out car competitions

BMX stunt bike competitions! (there is a BMX concrete park in this game!)

TONS OF OTHER THINGS, and this does not even include the great combat possibilities!!!

Who in the hell ever said MTA had to be mainly about combat? Getting online together, having other HUMANS in this world is what it was ORIGINALLY about.

SCREW GRAND THEFT AUTO 3, and SCREW GRAND THEFT AUTO VICE CITY!

JUNE 7, GTA, SA is out for PC. We need it. And we NEED a working version of MTA for it ASAP!!!!!

I am done with the current games. Done.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS TOPIC, UNLESS YOU HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED SAN ANDREAS!!!!! EVEN IF YOU ARE THE DEVELOPER OF MTA, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS, UNTILL YOU PLAY SA!!!! AND PLAY IT NOW!!!!!!

it is that good.

The online possibilities are unlimited.

now if you will all excuse me, I am going to my bro in laws house to play it on his PS2 again.

[Ransom]

Before you get a wild up about it, play mtavc .1 for awhile. Then think to yourself: if you didnt like that, dont expect much from San Andreas for a LONG time.

Not to mention Im sure there will have to be lots of limitations, that games simply too big to be hacked well by a team so small. Unless they are dedicated and work at it for a long time. We'll see if theres even the possibility of getting San Andreas .1 going in the community.

I love GTA3/VC and am all for seeing them improved. Waiting another year for a crappy San Andreas .1 that won't do almost any of the things you mentioned? no thanks...

[Mike]

So just because SA is coming out, the other versions should be forgotten?

Blue will open up so many posibilities in VC (and hopefully GTA3).

[Zircon]

Who said they were tired of the game itself?

This is an issue over which version people enjoy more. I still love GTA3 and Vice City, just not MTA 0.5.

[Cerbera]

Gamebro, I guess you havn't heard about the stunt mode which has been present for about a year? When I ran Serious Street Racers we used to do point-to-point street races in a serious manner. Hence our name. There are still stacks of stunting clans kicking around the forums here. The current MTA's are not limited to just fragging each other and havn't been for quite some time.

Additionally, much of what you have suggested is going to be fairly impossible to implement. You have to remember that although the game has become larger, more efficient and developed a great deal everyone is still using the same old internet connections. This means that the lag you get from the current MTAVC core -- which has been through years of optimisations -- will be even worse for GTASA because code optimisations take a really, really long time to research, develop, implement, test, troubleshoot, fix, re-optimise, implement and so on.

Until the PC version is released nobody can even begin to research the memory locations required to hook the MTA technology into GTASA. Expecting an MTASA before 2006 is ludicrous and expecting a good version of it before June 2006 is similarly misguided, in my opinion.

[Si|ent]

Before you get a wild up about it, play mtavc .1 for awhile. Then think to yourself: if you didnt like that, dont expect much from San Andreas for a LONG time.

If MTA:SA is possible (we certainly hope it is) It will mostly be groundwork finding the additions and changes in both mem and scm etc. Once these are done it is hoped it will pretty much slot into the Blue core. So you certainly wont have anything as basic as mtavc 0.1 where san andreas is concerned

This means that the lag you get from the current MTAVC core -- which has been through years of optimisations -- will be even worse for GTASA because code optimisations take a really, really long time to research, develop, implement, test, troubleshoot, fix, re-optimise, implement and so on.

True in that lag will ALWAYS be an issue and a deciding factor as to just what is included/syncd, but false in that the current cores netcode wont be in use, it would be the significantly improved netcode we have in Blue. Definately true for the timespan tho, but most of this fundamental r&d shoudl be in place already (we hope)

[ijsf]

Not to mention Im sure there will have to be lots of limitations, that games simply too big to be hacked well by a team so small. Unless they are dedicated and work at it for a long time. We'll see if theres even the possibility of getting San Andreas .1 going in the community.

Additionally, much of what you have suggested is going to be fairly impossible to implement. You have to remember that although the game has become larger, more efficient and developed a great deal everyone is still using the same old internet connections. This means that the lag you get from the current MTAVC core -- which has been through years of optimisations -- will be even worse for GTASA because code optimisations take a really, really long time to research, develop, implement, test, troubleshoot, fix, re-optimise, implement and so on.

Don't forget we have support from Rockstar Games. And with our new core, our way of coding has been completely changed, making it easier for us to implement features in MTA since we now have direct access to the game instead of letting it go though numerous functions in Windows (old core).

As far as I know MTA:SA will be available in our new core, which has a completely different netcode. It's far more optimized, efficient and smaller than the netcode we have in versions prior to 0.5. I think the difference in total data (transmitted/received) between the old core and the new core could be quite large, and that gives us some space to send all those extra stuff over the net.

Who in the hell ever said MTA had to be mainly about combat? Getting online together, having other HUMANS in this world is what it was ORIGINALLY about.

I think deathmatch is the most simple form of gameplay.

[gamebro]

Yes, I base my faith in SA online, on the BLUE technology. How can you people have soo little faith?

Don't look at how long the team took to get (here).

Look at where they ARE, and where they are headed.

There is no reason, they would not be able to implement BLUE into SA online within a reasonable amount of time. SAN ANDREAS uses the same old GTA3 engine (enhanced). This is not a new engine, thus it should fit LIKE A GLOVE to the MTA team.

You people doubt way too much. MOST of the features I have mentioned, are WORKING in the current game of SA for the PS2, and most of these features DO NOT DEPEND on advanced things\scripts to function. They should cause little lag.

WOULD A BIKE RACE UP THE MOUNTAIN BE HARD TO DO?

No. Put a few bikes at the start, and that is it. The parachutes (item pickups) can be at the top, to allow for skydives, with great ease and little reason for added lag. It would take what? 1 hour by the team to setup?

Sky Diving from planes with friends would also be super easy to do. Just pickup your friends in a plane, fly high, jump out! When you enter most types of planes in SA, you automatically get a parachute.

easy stuff.

How about BMX stunting with friends? EASY! Place bikes at the stunt park. No need for advanced code of any kind.

How about WW2 fighter plane dog fights? SIMPLE! Just place the fighter planes around in the world, and have at it! BLUE should have the mounted machine guns synced. EASY!

How about the SEMI truck races with the trailor attachments? Just place semi trucks with the trailors on the map! Players can then say, "HEY! LETS RACE THESE MOFOS!" EASY!

How about a demolition derby? There is bloodring pit in SA, and it has already been done in VICE CITY. EASY.

How about Air Shows? Easy!!!! Just get you n yer friends to an airport, and showcase your insaine stunts!

How about Tweaked out car competitions? Well, seing as how MTA has working menus for character selection ect, this too should be do-able for them in time. Players would use the hydrolics to bounce their cars ect. (could come in a later version)

Maybe some things will be hard to implement. BUT THE BASIC THINGS are no brainers, and offer a huge selection of fun things to do besides basic combat. BMX for example.

San Andreas will require a better PC to play. This is the real world of games. Either you advance your hardware to keep up, or you don't share the joy. The game can't be toned down just to please a few unfortunate players, cause thier internet sucks ect. The majority of gamers have broadband now. By the end of this year, the broadband percentage will only be higher.

BLUE is gona rock. And with such technology running SA online, I think having the full open world is more then possible. But if not, then I'd say servers will just have to run 1 chosen map of 3 at a time. Their is no reason to doubt that the MTA team couldn't whip out a decent beta for us by the end of summer. AND NO! The team should not wait for a decent first version. If they had done that with VICE CITY and GTA3, we would still be waiting! (joking)

SA is the same engine. I have full confidence, that the now expert MTA team will be able to work magic with it.

SO SHOULD WE ALL STOP PLAYING VICE CITY AND GTA3?

NO!!!!!!

I am mearly saying, I won't be anymore. I am bored of them. If you people aren't bored yet, GREAT! But trust me, SA is awesome! IF you people had actually played it, you would see why I am so excited.

The moment I first played the game, and saw the wonderfull hilly landscapes (even in cities) I was dreaming of this sucker being online! Jumping my pimped out nitro bada$$ car off the highrise freeways! Sure, some cool things CAN be done in VC, but not much. Just racing and combat. The advanced stunt mode we have now, can not hold a candle to the normal standard SA and it's awesome array of fun things to do.

Did I mention you can also drive trains in the game? YEP!!! You can even derail them if you go too fast too long!

I am glad you people still enjoy the old games more then I do. Whether you people realize it or not. SA is the future of MTA, pure and simple. It will reach a far greater fan base, it will generate a larger online community then VC or 3 ever has. And this will all happen sooner then you think. Best of all, it will be one giant leap forwards to a more virtual immersive online experience.

June is not that far away! And if I am playing SA online by the end of this year, I'll be happy. I am gona chase ya'll down with my combine harvester I reckon!

[l2ebel]

you dont have any clue what youre talking about by any chance?

Yes, I base my faith in SA online, on the BLUE technology. How can you people have soo little faith?

Don't look at how long the team took to get (here).

Look at where they ARE, and where they are headed.

There is no reason, they would not be able to implement BLUE into SA online within a reasonable amount of time. SAN ANDREAS uses the same old GTA3 engine (enhanced). This is not a new engine, thus it should fit LIKE A GLOVE to the MTA team.

You people doubt way too much. MOST of the features I have mentioned, are WORKING in the current game of SA for the PS2, and most of these features DO NOT DEPEND on advanced things\scripts to function. They should cause little lag.

just who the hell are you talking to?

[HuZs]

...he said "you veterans" in his first post. Read I2ebel read !

[gamebro]

Yeah, I don't have any clue what I am talking about And I am talking to the people who posted here saying this will take forever to build (SA MTA) also to other vets who are thinking such evil thoughts

I can't blame ya for not reading though, my posts are long.

Here, let me do a quick recap of what I am saying " MTA vice and 3, are getting very boring. The player count is falling. This is not MTA's fault, the games are just old. MTA will have a bright furture with SA, and I hope all efforts are concentrated on it when it is released for PC on June 7."

NO?...... wait, that is not it..... I was talking about how many things can be done in SA.

Look, I know it will be a lot of work for the MTA team. And thier blue core is maybe 68% now? But they don't have a choice. This is thier thing, this is what they do. Did it take them all that long to get VC online after it came out?

BLUE will make VC and GTA3 much better, sure. However, player built mods for it will take how long? One thing I have learned in my modding caree, is that MOST larger modifications never make it, and when they do, take ages to build to a BETA state.

GTA3, VC are not the future. The current player count can't get much worse. At the end of the year, how many people will be playing VC or GTA3 online? How many for a daily average??

Now how many will be playing SA?

The purpose of this thread, is to wake people up. They are so angry\dissapointed at the current version of MTA, that they forgot where this is going, and what it was about.

When the fine folks started working on MTA, did they think "hmmm, We need a online version of GTA so we can unsychly jump glitch all day with the stubby" ?

NO! It was about getting players (people) online, together, in this fantastic world that is GTA.

Blue,San Andreas is what they need to go that extra step forward.

[darkdreamingdan]

ok, about what u said, most of that is 'imaginable' in vc. sure there arent bicycles.

when gta3 was out and vc was coming for pc, im sure there were ppl exactly like you saying "omg vc is going to rock, it has bikes, hwere we can all stunt together, we caan use weapons and fight with rc barosn and choopers and liek omgzor'.

if you think about it, lots of these things are possible in vc, once blue is implemented its almost limitless

[l2ebel]

you make it all sound like there cant be any problems at all, everything would be possible, i dont think youve ever had a chance to test that?

and i was kinda irritated that you feel like everyones being so pessimistic about the future of mta, i presonally havent seen anyone talking in that manner so i was kinda wondering who those ppl were..

[gamebro]

err, that guy in the cornor over there!

Is it just me, or did I imagine seeing those posts where everyone is bashing 5.0? If they are this angry already, then how will they feel about the next release, when it does not have XXX feature, or XXX was changed.

The crowd is getting restless. But again, just my opinion.

LOL! Talidan...

Why build that stuff for VC when it comes standard issue with SA?

You make a good point though, about the hype for online VC. But this situation is different because SA will obviously be using BLUE right away. They should have far less problems putting in the cool stuff then you'd think.

Most of the things I mentions about being in SA online, are not challanges for the team. Simply a matter of placing certain vehicles at certain locations.

Idea-

Make a BOY SCOUTS spawn, at the mountain base, and they start next to the mountain bicycles at the race start line. easy stuff.

Now let me get very blunt and very serious (at the risk of earning some real hatred).

WE, THE CURRENT SMALL GRAND THEFT AUTO ONLINE COMMUNITY, AIN'T SH!T COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF NEWCOMMERS THAT WILL ARRIVE FOR SA ONLINE.

No doubt the game will sell at least a million copies for PC. And a large number of them will be DESPARATE to play this b!tch online ASAP! The MTA team, can not afford to screw around with the redundant old GTA games when SA comes out.. And the few fans who don't like this fact, can kiss my smiley face

l2ebel, can I ask a VERY personal question?.... Please... Don't be offended.... We are all gamers here.......... You can be honest with us, we won't laugh (much).

Have you...... oh man, I really am uncomfortable asking this..... Er.... Have you actually ........ well,..... you know...... sorta..... uhmm...... !PLAYED! GTA san andreas for the PS2 yet?

Don't be shy man, I wana know.... That does not make me gay does it? - Wanting to know if anyone else plays with thier playstation...... That is not gay right?... I mean.... We've all had fantasies about playing with a playstation at one point in time or another right?

OH GAWD! WHO AM I KIDDING!.... Ok forget what I said, I LOVE OLD MOTHERBOARDS............. OH WAIT! NO! I mean I love video cards...... huff huff huff....... whew!! I hope I get out of this one alive. The last thing I need is having my GAMING prefrences come under question agian.... But since they will---

I did not choose to like other PlayStations.... I was just born this way.

Playstation pride! ( the color of black? )

NO! I am kidding, I am not consol gay, in fact- I jacked your MOTHERBOARD and that is why you have that ugly r3t@rded old video card!

sorry dude, but yer motherboard is freaking hot! ooooo, I just love the way she'd say--- YOU'VE GOT MAIL!

[Mike]

Yes he does have SA and he has played it, so have I. The new features however, do not make me want to forget GTA3 and VC - they still rock, i'm definately not bored of them.

[Blokker_1999]

i still like gta3 the most

[Toreno]

you veterans say 5.0 sucks cause BLAH BLAH BLAH is missing, or BLAH BLAH BLAH was changed.

Bullshat! Very Happy You are just like me. You are just bored of the same old thing... day after day, year after year.

No it isn't bullshit.MTA 0.3r2 is/was inferiour to singleplayer(gameplay). but it was nice. offcourse i wouldn't want to play that again, but mta 0.4 and later isn't exactly the same as mta 0.3r2, the gameplay shrinked(except for gta3, and stunt mode). mta blue may change this, but i guess that will only happen because of the addon possibility.

[orappa]

No it isn't bullshit.MTA 0.3r2 is/was inferiour to singleplayer(gameplay). but it was nice. offcourse i wouldn't want to play that again, but mta 0.4 and later isn't exactly the same as mta 0.3r2, the gameplay shrinked(except for gta3, and stunt mode). mta blue may change this, but i guess that will only happen because of the addon possibility.

Don't forget that 0.5.1 is a gameplay patch.

Edited March 20, 2005 by Guest

[Ransom]

i still like gta3 the most

I liked getting the land and the features we asked for, but on the whole, much of it seems well... unused.

Gamebro, you write so damn much I dont even wanna argue lol, lotsa dot dot dot usage

[gamebro]

ransom-

It is ok, you don't have to argue. My greatest point can't be disputed. That point is--

We are nothing. We represent a small fraction of the incomming players in the future of MTA. Everything we say is irrelevent. A legion of SA players will arrive and dominate. Why? Because it is new. (hot).

that is the future.

I am surprised some of ya don't care for SA that much. It blows the crap outa GTA3 and VC combined. Ah well, to each his own.

[Ransom]

A legion of SA players will arrive and dominate.

Ah don't worry, I'll adapt

You certainly have high hopes, I'd hate to pull out my machine gun and knock em down, but man thats time consuming too the way you constructed that post, thats what I meant

[Bishop]

Heh, who gives a shit about dominating, all we want is a place to call home :´(

My cardbox and me out in the heavy rain , cars washing water up on me as they pass by

I haven´t read any points in this thread, so I will comment on the topic instead. (what ? I have to post something)

The future of MTA has been coming for quite some time. Some may even argue we are in the future now.

[darkdreamingdan]

Heh, who gives a shit about dominating, all we want is a place to call home :´(

My cardbox and me out in the heavy rain , cars washing water up on me as they pass by

I haven´t read any points in this thread, so I will comment on the topic instead. (what ? I have to post something)

The future of MTA has been coming for quite some time. Some may even argue we are in the future now.

i like how u comented on the future being now.

i guess this mta is revoloution to gta3am

[>YanKeeS<]

the future of mta (mta blue) has been coming now for a year and a half or so. and i thnk that a lot of people have lost hope in the mta team and believe that they truly dont give a fuck what the players want. i have to say that im doubtful about blue, it reminds me of what gtat sed they were gonna do

[darkdreamingdan]

the future of mta (mta blue) has been coming now for a year and a half or so. and i thnk that a lot of people have lost hope in the mta team and believe that they truly dont give a

what the players want. i have to say that im doubtful about blue, it reminds me of what gtat sed they were gonna do

wrong. mta itself is only 2years old. there is no way blue started from only 6months into it. your just another person who cant appreiciate the quality that blue will have, and the time it will need to achive it.