Zircon Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Its not the fact that their server allowed it.. its the fact that everyone had the exact same modifications. Incase you did not know, most of the reason that the MTA team doesn't like modifications is because it can cause game crashes. When everyone has the same files, this is not the case. If there is a crash, it is either a bug in MTA or a bug in the mod they are all using.Have you ever been to a modding stunt server? No one is using the same modification, but that's beside the point.Do you think that's the only reason the MTA team strictly forbids any use of modifications in their EULA? Of course not... Read the last part of my post, though. That's where my point stands. Link to comment
ijsf Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 (edited) Lemme point you to some statements in MTA:VC 0.2.2's eula: MTA:VC v0.2.2 LICENSE AGREEMENTCopyright © 2002-2003 MTA Team, http://www.multitheftauto.com PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING THE SOFTWARE. BY INSTALLING AND USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE SOFTWARE. Altering and/or changing the executables and/or other binaries included within this installation package in ANY possible way is forbidden. Decompiling, disassembling or otherwise Reverse engineering of ANY of the included executables and/or binaries is forbidden. It's clear that the files, the client and the SCM mission script, are modified. Either the client was altered to load a different scm -or- the scm was altered. Both options are forbidden, as the EULA states, so this can be considered as cheating. Remember we have added a cheat/file altering protection as well in 0.2.2.. Edited December 30, 2004 by Guest Link to comment
Dross Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2463/mtascr ... 7jw8fi.jpg ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE UR USING THE SAME MOD NOW DOES IT? Link to comment
Slothman Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 been watching this thread, listening to peoples perspectives and ideas on what constitutes cheating. Many good points raised, and i thought that i would chip in my 2 cents (this beinga forum and all) you were using cracked clients. I have always defined that as the line. the line has to be drawn somewhere. some people here seem to consider that line blurry and drawn depending on the circumstances of the server and other people. I however choose a more rigid approach that allows for less "compromises" My reasoning is this: without a cracked client, you cannot cheat. with a cracked client, it's possible thereby creating an immediate acces to cheating. People with that possibility staring them in the face can sometimes waver and fall into that blurry line. The crc check is there to keep honest people honest. and it is sacred in my mind. That being said, there are other factors involved here. yes it was an old version, yes it was a private server, and yes, supposedly everyone was aware of the conditions. It still shows that you are willing to step into that grey area. So you should understand why people could be alarmed of this. Link to comment
JacoB Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Its not the fact that their server allowed it.. its the fact that everyone had the exact same modifications. Incase you did not know, most of the reason that the MTA team doesn't like modifications is because it can cause game crashes. When everyone has the same files, this is not the case. If there is a crash, it is either a bug in MTA or a bug in the mod they are all using.Have you ever been to a modding stunt server? No one is using the same modification, but that's beside the point.Do you think that's the only reason the MTA team strictly forbids any use of modifications in their EULA? Of course not... Read the last part of my post, though. That's where my point stands. Before you tell me to read the last part of your post, maybe you should pay a little attention to my post also. I said that MOST of the reason, not the only reason. And I do agree that those 'modding servers' where everyone is allowed to use their own mods is cheating. Everyone having different mods is, any everyone will agree, definatly cheating. And now, as for the last part of your post. Since their definition of 'cheating' could be something as small as changing the stubby to 40.0001, then they were 'cheating'. But, heres another useful metaphor for you: A person shoves a guy. He is accused of first degree murder. The justice here is a little too strict, if you ask me. Link to comment
Dross Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Lemme point you to some statements in MTA:VC 0.2.2's eula:MTA:VC v0.2.2 LICENSE AGREEMENTCopyright © 2002-2003 MTA Team, http://www.multitheftauto.com PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING THE SOFTWARE. BY INSTALLING AND USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE SOFTWARE. Altering and/or changing the executables and/or other binaries included within this installation package in ANY possible way is forbidden. Decompiling, disassembling or otherwise Reverse engineering of ANY of the included executables and/or binaries is forbidden. It's clear that the files, the client and the SCM mission script, are modified. Either the client was altered to load a different scm -or- the scm was altered. Both options are forbidden, as the EULA states, so this can be considered as cheating. and i do believe this is checkmate thanks for playin plz escort urself out Link to comment
Cam. Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2463/mtascreen60187jw8fi.jpg ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE UR USING THE SAME MOD NOW DOES IT? Theres a glitch if you fly under the hotel in Vice Point and you drop down directly below the hotel, you'll appear on the selection roof. Try it sometime. (It doesnt work all the time though, maybe like 1/32 chance). Dumbass. Link to comment
JacoB Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 and i do believe this is checkmate thanks for playin plz escort urself out What he told us is something every MTA user knows. At least I'd hope so. I don't think KFC is disagreeing that they was cheating, or whatever you call it. I think they disagree on their strict definition of cheating. But, there always is the boring bunch who would rather play the same game over and over rather then have a little extra fun every once in a while. Link to comment
DeathB Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 Lemme point you to some statements in MTA:VC 0.2.2's eula:MTA:VC v0.2.2 LICENSE AGREEMENTCopyright © 2002-2003 MTA Team, http://www.multitheftauto.com PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING THE SOFTWARE. BY INSTALLING AND USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE SOFTWARE. Altering and/or changing the executables and/or other binaries included within this installation package in ANY possible way is forbidden. Decompiling, disassembling or otherwise Reverse engineering of ANY of the included executables and/or binaries is forbidden. It's clear that the files, the client and the SCM mission script, are modified. Either the client was altered to load a different scm -or- the scm was altered. Both options are forbidden, as the EULA states, so this can be considered as cheating. Also, we have added a cheat/file altering protection in 0.2.2.. and now for kfcs new slogan kfg - kungfu's family of crime - breaking the eula since 0.2 Link to comment
DominionSpy Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 What I find amusing is that by doing this, KFC are encouraging other people to break the EULA. Also, according to the server rules, not modifying anything is considered cheating. Ironic, really. Link to comment
Dross Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 and i do believe this is checkmate thanks for playin plz escort urself out What he told us is something every MTA user knows. At least I'd hope so. I don't think KFC is disagreeing that they was cheating, or whatever you call it. I think they disagree on their strict definition of cheating. But, there always is the boring bunch who would rather play the same game over and over rather then have a little extra fun every once in a while. hmmmz one of the dev's deems this as cheating and as for slothman post i agree 100% its where i was goin with this he just put it in better words Link to comment
JacoB Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 kfg - kungfu's family of crime - breaking the eula since 0.2 I think its pretty funny when people try to make accusations and can't provide any evidence. Show me where they have broken the EULA in 0.3, 0.3rc2, 0.4, and 0.4.1. kthxbai Link to comment
GaRRoTTe Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 kungfu family of cheaters Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 and i do believe this is checkmate thanks for playin plz escort urself out What he told us is something every MTA user knows. At least I'd hope so. I don't think KFC is disagreeing that they was cheating, or whatever you call it. I think they disagree on their strict definition of cheating. But, there always is the boring bunch who would rather play the same game over and over rather then have a little extra fun every once in a while. hmmmz one of the dev's deems this as cheating and as for slothman post i agree 100% its where i was goin with this he just put it in better words project leader to be precise Link to comment
vass69 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 i always thought that lol Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 kungfu family of cheaters damnit, that was my text in irc Link to comment
Gunny Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ok wow this is getting old same things said And Camaro the MTA admin put a KnownCheater on ur description and Idiot on ur avatar wow. Link to comment
JacoB Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 hmmmz one of the dev's deems this as cheating and as for slothman post i agree 100% its where i was goin with this he just put it in better words I had to squint to read that. Please, use proper grammar and spelling in your future posts. In fact, please don't post at all. There are people that agree that even the smallest modifications is cheating. Had this rule not been in the EULA, they would not agree, obviously. The MTA team themselves should know that it is indeed severely strict to accuse such an event as cheating, but what can I say. This is probably the millionth argument over this matter, obviously nothing is going to change their minds, so I'll quote what I said earlier: Wait for blue. Link to comment
MAD_BOY Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ok wow this is getting old same things saidAnd Camaro the MTA admin put a KnownCheater on ur description and Idiot on ur avatar wow. actually, the idiot thing comes automaticly with the rank i just love doing that Link to comment
Dross Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 (edited) kfg - kungfu's family of crime - breaking the eula since 0.2 I think its pretty funny when people try to make accusations and can't provide any evidence. Show me where they have broken the EULA in 0.3, 0.3rc2, 0.4, and 0.4.1. kthxbai Show me where they have broken the EULA in 0.3, 0.3rc2, 0.4, and 0.4.1. it will be hard to show this now cause of this topic all ur members are probably hiding thier cheats now but after this everyone will be watching u play with eachother which i hope is just in game servers PS: stop banning ppl for killing KFC members Edited December 30, 2004 by Guest Link to comment
DeathB Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ok wow this is getting old same things saidAnd Camaro the MTA admin put a KnownCheater on ur description and Idiot on ur avatar wow. go look at the kfc thread... starting with page 1 ;D Link to comment
Zircon Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 A dev has responded with giving known cheater ranks out to all of the offenders. I guess that closes this case... Have a nice day. Link to comment
Brophy Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 OMG, forum is rammed for this Users browsing this forum: dpuncher, energizer, GaRRoTTe, Gunny, JacoB, jizzonya, JonChappell, Luigi, MAD_BOY, Rainbow, slothman, vass69, VCES>ßróÞh¥, [4D]Prontera, [FMJ]DomSpy, [KFC]Venom, {FKU}WarFire, {ULK}Xc0n Link to comment
Guest Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hi... I find this pretty lame. KFC being given a known cheaters rank? Pretty lame. You might as well be a dumbass and say 2+2=78. Everyone had the same advantages and disadvantages in the server, in which isnt considered cheating. And it was in their own private server, and FKU even played in there once, infact, alot of people did. They just dug something up from the trash, and polished it up. Theres nothing wrong with that. Link to comment
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