{ULK}_LiNuX Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 is this a crapy or fair computer2200+ 1.8 ghz 80gb hard drive intergrated prosavage ddr km66 graphics 512 memory Link to comment
SM xenex Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 OMG crappy? hell no, want to trade? Link to comment
{ULK}_LiNuX Posted October 8, 2003 Author Share Posted October 8, 2003 hey its me =SM Yamm= are you sure what about graphics and what do you have computer Link to comment
SM xenex Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Well i dont really know what graphics card u have , explain better, brand name memory etcetc. My PC: WIN XP Pro. P4 1,8 ghz,512 ddr ram ,20 gb (ye ye laugh), Nvidia Geforce 4 mmx 440 128 mb ram,cable broadband.(did i miss something) Link to comment
{ULK}_LiNuX Posted October 8, 2003 Author Share Posted October 8, 2003 im going to get 3mb cable modem for hallloween and a 9800 radeon with 3.2 ghz Link to comment
SM xenex Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Wow going from good to better. Link to comment
{ULK}_LiNuX Posted October 8, 2003 Author Share Posted October 8, 2003 hey can i try ppl out for sm plz i know 40 stunts or 32 Link to comment
True Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 My machine is okay. No need for great graphics yet, maybe in a few months. A few months after, probably some A64. But that'll be a complete newbuild Link to comment
SM xenex Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Your pc specs loook pretty good , your right no need for a emergency upgrade*looks at his hdd* and YAMM go to the channel and/or ask goat about that. Link to comment
Evil Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 my pc sux 800mhz amd duron 256mb sdram gforce 4mx420 64meg pci onboard sound drive1 80gig maxtor 7200 rpm drive2 40gig seagate 5200 rpm drive 3 80gig maxtor 7200ram slow ass dvdrom and burner 2.8mbps cable/1.4mbps adsl. hey it runs my game smooth its all i care for Link to comment
True Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 my pc sux 800mhz amd duron 256mb sdram gforce 4mx420 64meg pci onboard sound drive1 80gig maxtor 7200 rpm drive2 40gig seagate 5200 rpm drive 3 80gig maxtor 7200ram slow ass dvdrom and burner 2.8mbps cable/1.4mbps adsl. hey it runs my game smooth its all i care for What is the point in all the HDs? Make sure the maxtors are on the same channel if possible, those are ATA133 and the Seagate probably isn't, which can kill performance. About my machine, I love overclocking and I am an avid AMD user / enthusiast.. if you have any nForce2 or AMD questions come to me My overclock is pretty good, I might shell out the $50 or so just to get a processor that can do another 100mhz overclocked but I am thinking of waiting, in about a year I'll have a nice Athlon 64... s939, none of that single-channel stuff! Link to comment
Evil Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 What is the point in all the HDs? Porn collection hehe jk no i store all my games and music on my drives so i dont gota search for cd's that and im a download freak Link to comment
{ULK}_LiNuX Posted October 8, 2003 Author Share Posted October 8, 2003 i cant go to irc. everytime i go it says invalid syntax error Link to comment
Magus Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Well i dont really know what graphics card u have , explain better, brand name memory etcetc.My PC: WIN XP Pro. P4 1,8 ghz,512 ddr ram ,20 gb (ye ye laugh), Nvidia Geforce 4 mmx 440 128 mb ram,cable broadband.(did i miss something) your harddrive sucks, yeah, i had to laugh Go spend 100 bucks and get a better HD Link to comment
Evil Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 hehe my mp3 collection is 40gigs i would die if i was stuck with a 20giger Link to comment
BrianHodge86 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 My computer has 1.3Ghz and 392MB of RAM, a GeForce 4 MX440 64MB video card and 15 gig hd... I wish I had about fifteen hundred dollars... I could build the best computer in town. (By the way, Pentium 4 with hyper-threading is better than any AMD or Athlon cause those only go up to a 333mhz front-side-bus while you can find a Pentium 4 goes to 800mhz) So I would invest in a Pentium 4 if I only had the money. (My comptuer was a cheap 200 dollar peice of junk... what a rip off... It came with LINDOWS *snicker*) Link to comment
Evil Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 By the way, Pentium 4 with hyper-threading is better than any AMD or Athlon cause those only go up to a 333mhz front-side-bus while you can find a Pentium 4 goes to 800mhz) So your joking? pentiums are no wheres near anything good for gaming speacily hypertreading! it will cause major lagg no joke. the new pentium 4's with hypertreading are fully made for server use dont work to good in gameing at alli take that back petiums run planetside better than amd but sucks in any other game Link to comment
Robpol86 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 uhh.. ur wrong.. P4's are specially made for HOME COMPUTING, w/ or w/o htt! (hyperthreadtech) Xeons, Tualatins, and Itaniums (sp?) are specially made for servers.. Hyperthreading WONT boost game speed, ever, unless the game is designed for it. Hyperthreading is good for multitasking, and it should speed up boot time. Link to comment
BrianHodge86 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 either way I wanted to emphasize the giant difference in front side bus speeds, it will help with multitasking, yes, and that includes all underlying programs that your OS runs even while you play a game. (by the way, does anyone know how to overclock an AMD Duron? if you do please pm me) Link to comment
Kent747 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 most bioses will let you do it in there... otherwise its jumpers and such... Kent Link to comment
True Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) First, let me teach you about hardware. Let me first go off by saing the Athlon XP line can go up to 400mhz FSB, not 333. The Athlon XP is a dual-pumped FSB, ie. it is really 200mhz, not 400. The same goes for the P4 - except it is a quad-pumped bus (4x200mhz, sends 4x information per clock), which only transfers data at quad, otherwise for address and control data it only sends at dual (or single?) pumped, like the Athlon (which means it is really a 200mhz bus quad pumped, older Intels were 133x4 and 100x4 - 533 and 400mhz, respectively). This is why the 800mhz fsb P4's are good with such things as movie encoding - they need to transfer lots of sequential data, which makes use of this bus. Without a dualchannel memory controller, though (see the next line), you don't get the full bandwidth delivered to the processor. Using a single-channel memory controller on either machine will give you the same amount of memory performance (theoretically). Most often this will actually lean toward the Athlon XP, since most released memory controllers (with the exception of the i865/i875 [though those are just bloat... look at the poor efficiency, *phew*!!]) are more tweaked to perfection for the Athlon XP's. Using a dualchannel memory controller (ie. nforce2, i865/i875, kt880, etc) on an Athlon platform leaves more memory available to other tasks, due to the FSB limiting factor - but this is just memory bandwidth. In todays gaming, that doesn't affect performance so much. A 400mhz FSB Athlon XP can only access 3.2gb/sec bandwidth, whereas a p4/800mhz bus can access 6.4. The Athlon on an nForce2 platform will hit around 2.9-3gb/sec, whereas the bloated P4 will hit 5-5.5gb/sec. Note where the efficiency lies? Just becuase there is more bandwidth, doesn't mean its faster. Lower latency chipsets can definately perform miracles - waiting for your data twice as long doesn't do you any good with having double the size when the competitor can get it twice as fast. With the Athlon 64 coming out, there is no longer an FSB - the link from the CPU to the memory controller is the same clock of the CPU, due to the memory controller being on-die. The only external link is the HyperTransport link, which technically isn't an FSB. This link operates at 800mhz and will evolve to be a 1.6ghz link. It is 8 bits wide, so it can transfer up to 6.4gb/sec across its bus. It operates much like the Pentium 4's QPB, in that it only sends address and control data at dual pumped speeds (I believe). But it doesn't have the memory hits that the P4 has, since the memory controller is on-die - even the singlechannel version (socket 754) owns P4 in a lot of tasks. The reduced latency (less than half of P4 chipsets, sometimes even more!!) really hits home. Whoever said "$1500 would get me a kickass computer", I could probably outperform yours with a bit of overclocking for a little bit over half of what you'd pay. $900, and I'll own anything - repeat, ANYTHING you can build with $1500. Trust me on that. Durons are easy to overclock, though you wont get much of an OC out of it. If you have a new Applebred Duron, you might be able to get 256k cache, but you'd have had to buy one within the last few weeks. PM me and I will give you some info. If anyone has any questions on the nForce2 chipset or computer stuff in general, give me a hollar via PM. I love to talk about techie stuff... Edit: several changes and additions made. Edit2: added a couple of things, changed some wording. Edited October 9, 2003 by Guest Link to comment
Robpol86 Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 wow, i didnt know of the meory controller on die. now i see some benefits of a 64-bit processor in a 32-bit environment. now we must wait for a 64-bit os and we can use the full potential of 64-bit consumer computing Intel needs to catch up.. an affordable 64-bit processor w/ htt would be great! Link to comment
BrianHodge86 Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 barely anything is affordable lately... If I were to buy the computer I wanted just the motherboard and processor would be like $380.... (although in light of the book he wrote up there I think I'm going to reconsider the value of my Duron....) Link to comment
True Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 The memory controller has nothing to do with 64-bitness. Most people dont even realize that its not the 64bit that makes the processor powerful for todays applicatoins, it is the extra registers you get while in 64bit mode. Those registers are vital, and they alone can improve performance of many applications... of course, a program has to be compiled to make use of those registers, and why not just add 64bitness in for a bit of fun, 'eh? So you get 2 things for 1, effectively... Prescott (the next P4...) will have 64bit extensions - it seems its only option is AMD64. This is Microsoft's push, not Intel's initiative. Also, if I got a decent performing system (say something OCable to 3200+ with DualDDR), it would only cost me $200 - $250 with the heatsink and fan. Thats already over $100 less than what you can get as "decent." You understand my Duron info? Link to comment
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