MTAMA Blacklist

[tbot]

personal opinion: I don't think Aeron would do such a thing.

You may have your personal opinion, of course I respect that, but I also have my opinion, and I suggest you respect that too.

Why would he? Aeron created this mod gor mta btw. , so whats wrong with it if he banned nivko , he has the right.

As I said, I know nivko, and I know that he is irritating, I have him banned on my own server too. The point is that _I_ set the standard at my own server for what I think is worthy of banning or not.

As I've also said before, this blacklist is distributed as being a list of known and confirmed 'cheaters'. I place true doubts with nivko's ability to cheat, and with it I place doubts with Aerons objectivity.

If this list wasn't called a blacklist of cheaters, but just 'Aerons personal banlist', I would have no problem with it (and many people wouldn't have used it because of the name).

Its just not fair towards nivko , but maybe you are nivko just with another nickname or something.......................................................................................!!!! Didn't saw that one comming , did ya?

If you want to bring my arguments down, please do so with counter arguments, and not with unlikely speculations. I'm not defending nivko. It's just that by seeing that nivko is banned I highly doubt that this is still a list of just cheaters.

[Aeron]

I don't think thats the reason.

Exactly, you don't _think_ that's the reason. But how would you know for sure?

Asking Aeron won't help, he surely won't answer you that he abused his power somewhat (hypothetically speaking). Asking the banned person won't help either, because they generally won't confirm that they were cheating.

Why should Aeron be some sort of an authority on this field? IMHO the only one who could and should decide about banning are the administrators of the server where the ban should be placed.

It's too easy to ban someone for other reasons than cheating that the users of this blacklist might very well not agree with. Sure, this guy can be irritating, but that's a reason to ban him on your own server, not on all servers running this blacklist, simply because the users expect that the banned people are banned for cheating and not for other reasons.

That problem is exactly the reason why i dont allow other users to add ip's to the blacklist, only the problem is i _can_ do it as you discrible. I don't do it and you have to trust me on that one.

I am little power abuser. But if you have 3 of the 5 times you play, cheaters, hackers and modders ruining ur game and you have the power to do something: what would you do ?

Nivko did messed with MTA: blacklisted.

[Si|ent]

For those of you concerned about the addition of the banlist (I am one of them) simply dont update to the latest version. This also has the advantage of no silly (normal) (admin+) indicator, so less clues to the cheaters as to just how much the admin can see at that moment.

[TempEcho]

or Aero: make an option to disable the blacklist. If I run a server , I would like to decide for myself if I enable it or not.

@tbot: I can specualte whenever I want to , we have freedom of speech , don't we?

[DeeJee.nl]

only problem with that is that mtama auto updates to the latest version..

so in my case I did a reinstall of every game related thing on my pc, including mtama.. and I don't want the first release, I want the one with out the blacklist, but just updating to that one is imposible.

This list should be an option to switch of and on, and I don't think Aeron should have the sole power to add people, not that I know anyother way of putting people in charge of that position.

Think the way we used to do it was a good way, distibuting ip's of know cheaters amongst admins, let them decide what to do with it.

So my suggestion would be releasing an mtama with out the blacklist, or atleast an option to turn it off.

[Aeron]

or Aero: make an option to disable the blacklist. If I run a server , I would like to decide for myself if I enable it or not.

@tbot: I can specualte whenever I want to , we have freedom of speech , don't we?

Disable PunkCatcher

only problem with that is that mtama auto updates to the latest version..

so in my case I did a reinstall of every game related thing on my pc, including mtama.. and I don't want the first release, I want the one with out the blacklist, but just updating to that one is imposible.

This list should be an option to switch of and on, and I don't think Aeron should have the sole power to add people, not that I know anyother way of putting people in charge of that position.

Think the way we used to do it was a good way, distibuting ip's of know cheaters amongst admins, let them decide what to do with it.

So my suggestion would be releasing an mtama with out the blacklist, or atleast an option to turn it off.

Disable Auto update

For those of you concerned about the addition of the banlist (I am one of them) simply dont update to the latest version. This also has the advantage of no silly (normal) (admin+) indicator, so less clues to the cheaters as to just how much the admin can see at that moment.

Made a option to turn indicater off in v3.16

Made a option to disable blacklist in v3.16

Don't get me wrong: I just hate ppl that ruining my game, a sort of general ban-list was a way to prevent _some_.

[Si|ent]

Aeron, why update for the sake of updating?

If it isnt broken don't fix it

[Aeron]

Aeron, why update for the sake of updating?

If it isnt broken don't fix it

Eeuh i dont get that :-\

[TempEcho]

I think he means you could have prevente dit or something , or maybe you could have fixed it in the first place...

[Si|ent]

No I mean you seem to be driving yourself to release an update every couple of weeks, leading to errors, unwanted (and downright silly) features and then the need to release yet another update to fix the previous one. Why update for the sake of it?

[Mike]

He hasn't actually release that yet, i think he's just mentioning the things he is adding to the next release, then he will release it when it's ready..

[Mike]

Sorry for the double post, but i got some one to report:

Night (i haven't got an i.p cos i can't get it on the partyserver ) but if anyone sees him please get it.

I have footage and i'll show it to you aeron if you ask nicely

[Shib]

Yep, i caught him in Mills' server last night but i ent got fraps.

[Guest]

No I mean you seem to be driving yourself to release an update every couple of weeks, leading to errors, unwanted (and downright silly) features and then the need to release yet another update to fix the previous one. Why update for the sake of it?

Maybe he likes giving people what they want? as for unwanted an down right silly features huh?! i have yet to see a feature in mtama that i have not found usefull.

[darkdreamingdan]

Maybe he likes giving people what they want? as for unwanted an down right silly features huh?! i have yet to see a feature in mtama that i have not found usefull.

ermm, but not every1 wants this. by making sumthing it not-optional is forcing it on ppl who dont want it

[Oli]

lol i know that 1 all too well hence the massive amount of options in GRS

[Si|ent]

Silly was in reference to it now returning what connection the Admin is using. The ONLY possible benefit i can see for that 'feature' is in favour of cheaters. Now they know if the admin can see thier speed hacking or health hacking. Therefore i classify it as silly to say the least.

[Guest]

ermm, but not every1 wants this. by making sumthing it not-optional is forcing it on ppl who dont want it

Thats why he's making it optional, durr

[Guest]

Silly was in reference to it now returning what connection the Admin is using. The ONLY possible benefit i can see for that 'feature' is in favour of cheaters. Now they know if the admin can see thier speed hacking or health hacking. Therefore i classify it as silly to say the least.

tbh i prefer them not to know i'm there at all.

sry double post oops!

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* Bot kicked. (Flooding) [81.183.150.237]

* Bot joins. [81.183.150.237]

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His name is Nandor

his IP Changes so i put a range ban in my script...

he joined the game as nandor, he leaves, rejoins and dose this

12 people timed out...f**king twat

aeron - can u add him to the blacklist plz.

[TempEcho]

I can confirm this , when that stupid bot came ina nd did his 456 bull**** , my game crashed and I had to reboot my PC.

[Luigi]

Yeah i hate him too he was the fucker who ruined everybodys game on the hungarian servers.

Ban his subnet that will do it, and you will ban 3 cheaters this way .

.http://lui.uw.hu/cheater.avi

[Guest]

I sign onto all the servers i usually goto, my sn on MTA is gdawgo69, always has been, always will be, no aliases for me, but that's besides the point. Getting back to the topic at hand, so I sign on to the server I usually goto, the ULK DarkImpulse one and BAM! outta nowhere get banned immediately stating something about "gdawgo69: You are Banned from this server. (PunkCatcher) Reason: (SuperBike)" ... So, I'm like wtf is this shit? So, I sign onto another server I goto the .:RA:. Server and BAM! again banned with the same reason. I thought something was wrong with my computer, like I got a virus or someshit, but I checked everything and it was ok, so then I goto the may i say 'shitty' Partyserver (laggy as hell) and there again I get banned. So, now I'm pissed and was thinking to myself, wtf is this shit.

So, now I am here asking you wat's up with this banning issue? I had to salvage my day and play on a couple of European servers where I actually was the "laggy" dude for a change. Someone let me know what's the deal here, and no I am not cheating, so that isn't a reason. I've never cheated in this game, and never will. I will admit to 'glitching' from time to time, just because it's fun, but I don't understand this PunkCatcher bullshit.

Let me know ASAP, so I can get back to whoopn that ass. Late!

[Niels]

80.61.29.234 this is a cheater he's name is {VCT}{Rene}

[Niels]

Nono, this is wrong!!!!

Sorry!