Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 How long have you've had this forum? I think you need a new one, it's recommended to renew a forum after a year or two, just to keep the site fresh, I know many other big sites who've made new forums cause they've had old forums, and it goes now much more smoother. Also clears out every saved cookie file for those who don't visit the site anymore, i know it works fine with this one, but sometime you will need to change it to a newer one, this might be the time? Link to comment
Gamefreek Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 it's recommended to renew a forum after a year or two, just to keep the site Where did you read that? Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 it's recommended to renew a forum after a year or two, just to keep the site Where did you read that? Of my own knowlege it's recommended to clear out posts of the site that take much space, and clear cookies from users, this all takes much bandwidth from the server, i have worked in a webhosting company befor so you gotta know those things . Link to comment
Oli Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 perhaps you should leave this upto the Forum Admins. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 perhaps you should leave this upto the Forum Admins. Perhaps, i'm just recommending stuff? But i'm sure this topic will get locked, i don't gain anything really if you make a new forum i just say it will be much better. Link to comment
Vicer/Spitfire Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 You mean like, converting it to IPB? Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 You mean like, converting it to IPB? Yeah somthing like whould been much better, but i meant uploading a new phpbb with all the cookies and posts gone, but if they want to upload another board also works fine, also IPB is more secure than phpbb, it's much better. This forum doesn't look so nice ither . Link to comment
orappa Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 The forum's just as fast as it ever was. Also, PHPBB is just as secure as any other board software, providing that you keep it updated. Link to comment
Manero Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Actaully, phpBB is the easiest messaging board to hack. You look at some big webistes which use phpBB and there hacking exploits are over 6000. IPB is more secure tho. There is also tools which let you convert all members and posts to IPB. I wouldn't delete all the posts of the MTA forum as many of them contain very useful information. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 The forum's just as fast as it ever was. Also, PHPBB is just as secure as any other board software, providing that you keep it updated. You don't know what your talking about, it will go like 60 % faster and also much more smoother. Man i know what i'm talking about, PHPBB is not secure as other forums. Manero: But if there going to change board, the post will be gone. Takes time to search what post aren't used and delete em manually. That's why it's better they start a new forum as blue comes, a fresh start for the mta community. I know i whould.. Link to comment
MTA Team Blokker_1999 Posted July 24, 2005 MTA Team Share Posted July 24, 2005 I would like to point out two things: - Invision Power Board is not free to use! phpbb is one of the few decent free forums out there. And yes i have seen IPB in the past, i know what it looks like and i don't like the admin area - removing all old posts is dumb. Sure it takes a lot of room in the database and it may slow down the forums a little bit (not much) but it is our god damn history we are talking about. You are talking about almost 2,5 years of MTA history Also blade : cookies don't take bandwith neither do posts. They just take some hdd space and make searching the database just that little slower (and we are talking microseconds). All the old posts do is waste some hdd space but since we are the only site on this box and our database is still only about 100MB there is still more then enough room left for expansion. And if you were to work for me and i saw you with that knowledge you would be fired immidiatly Link to comment
Manero Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Yeh, IPB admin is very annoying. It's crammed up and you can not find what you need to find to edit easily. phpBB is one of best free messageing boards. Link to comment
ijsf Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 You don't know what your talking about, it will go like 60 % faster and also much more smoother. I dont think it will make that much of a difference. I'm not saying it doesn't make any difference. It highly depends on the system you're running your websites on. We're running this website on a high end server, so there's no need to worry there. Also, MySQL has this wonderful caching system that can be very useful with large forums. Of my own knowlege it's recommended to clear out posts of the site that take much space, and clear cookies from users, this all takes much bandwidth from the server, i have worked in a webhosting company befor so you gotta know those things . I think you must be mistaking "cookies" or "cookie sessions" with normal PHP sessions. Sessions are temporary .. sessions stored on the server to keep information on the users that are currently on the site (e.g. logged in users). Again, you only need to worry about sessions eating up resources on low end servers. Thanks for your concerns, but we'll stay with these forums for now .. Link to comment
orappa Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Actaully, phpBB is the easiest messaging board to hack. You look at some big webistes which use phpBB and there hacking exploits are over 6000. Probably because they don't keep it updated. Most hackers attack non-patched websites using details provided by the fix. That's the mistake that was made with the old support board, which is why we only have one centralised forum now. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 And if you were to work for me and i saw you with that knowledge you would be fired immidiatly Only, cause i said cookies are taking bw? You must be kidding. I'm sure i also know much more things than you ;D. Btw what makes you think i will start working for you in the first place? . I knew perfectly everything i should know the time i worked for this company, but that was a long time ago.. okey i exaggerated the cookies do expire when the users close his browser, but the fact that posts take much place from the server is true, and that phpBB isin't secure, and that it will be highly recommended to change a board. The mta community history? somtime you gotta start a fresh start not always "living in the past". Btw every dumb know that cookies expires when the browser is closed or you can make the session close in a specific time. Thanks for your concerns, but we'll stay with these forums for now .. NP, Just as i thought . Actaully, phpBB is the easiest messaging board to hack. You look at some big webistes which use phpBB and there hacking exploits are over 6000. Probably because they don't keep it updated. Most hackers attack non-patched websites using details provided by the fix. That's the mistake that was made with the old support board, which is why we only have one centralised forum now. Nope, That's why you should change to secure forums, and not easy hacked forums. Link to comment
MTA Team Blokker_1999 Posted July 24, 2005 MTA Team Share Posted July 24, 2005 see even after ijs his post you seem to talk about things you don't understand. You are mixing cookies with sessions. and even after you close your browser the cookie remains on your machine for a year. That's how the auto login works. Also posts don't take much place. We have over 138340 posts on this board and the forum database size is estimated at 110MB, that's an avarage of less then 3kb per post and then we are disregarding the more then 10 000 registered users that also take up space. And 110MB still is a small database and mysql can handle it perfectly. about phpBB. phpBB isn't secure, but then again nothing is secure. IPB also get's hacked and the same goes for every other forum software out there. People just pick on phpBB since it is the most used system out there. But if maintained then it is as secure as any other board and all the hacks out there make it a verry versatile board. I'm even willing to set up a clean board with some posts for you to show you that this forum isn't slower then a clean forum. Hell if you were to set up a forum on some free space somewhere it's a hell of a lot slower then this big one. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 I'm even willing to set up a clean board with some posts for you to show you that this forum isn't slower then a clean forum. Depends on how much fast the server is, if this one is faster than yours, then won't help anything, but mta team makes a new forum at this site it will go much faster i'm 100 % sure it will. But it won't go very much faster but it will go much smoother on threads, postings, links, searching etc. Link to comment
MTA Team Blokker_1999 Posted July 24, 2005 MTA Team Share Posted July 24, 2005 http://forum.mtavc.com/gangs and yes, this board looks just a littlebit slower but don't forget that this board transfers some more data since there are more categories. As you will see the difference between this board and a new one is to small to start all over again. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 I give up, you can't convince an persistent man. If you even try then your stupid. Link to comment
MTA Team Blokker_1999 Posted July 24, 2005 MTA Team Share Posted July 24, 2005 have you visited the other forum? Have you seen that the speed difference is almost 0. The only difference in speed is because we have more categories on this board and removing all posts isn't gonna change that. The only thing that would go away on the main page is the archive. You see your defeat and then you say : i give up to safe your own face. Link to comment
orappa Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Also bear in mind that the test forum isn't running any custom scripts either. Btw, most of the attacks to the site and forum have been DOS / DDOS ones. I've found that PHPBB fix problems pretty quickly after they are discovered. Link to comment
MTA Team Blokker_1999 Posted July 24, 2005 MTA Team Share Posted July 24, 2005 actually it has some basic hacks installed. In the end the serverload is more important then the database size. Link to comment
Blade1941 Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 You see your defeat and then you say : i give up to safe your own face. Not really.. I just don't like to argue with those who never will give up, even if i do convince you (which might take up to 2 years). I don't think you'll change that's why it's just a waste of time. Whatever you say it will go much faster and smoother if you change to a new board. 11579 users + 138421 posts = takes very much space from the server, if you renew it will defintly go faster. Link to comment
orappa Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Why must you persist? You say you won't bother to argue and then you argue again. Thanks for the suggestion, but we will not be switching from PHPBB. IPB may possibly be faster and more secure but we have no reason to switch as we have had few security issues with this board and no-one has complained about the speed. This thread is going nowhere. Link to comment
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