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lol i didnt even mention GTAT, but ok, if you want to play it that way. so what ? 0.5e crashes a lot? 0.3r2 crashed a lot too, but i enjoyed it for months, just like most ppl did(hmm i wonder why most of them dont play mta 0.4.1 ?) though 0.5F will be a lot better, but you wont believe that. oh about the site, it happens sometime, the mta forums/site have been down a few times as well. actually i dont even understand why you are talking about gtat itself, because the topic isn't about it, but about mta's current core, and the scm things mr respectless. has been said before, even by myself.................. PS: are you cBc JacoB? if you are, then you are a fool to defend mta, since you hack it. if not, then just ignore this.

thnx for the info though. ' well that most ppl like mta doesnt mean its the best one, you think its best, but you cant make a fact out of that. 2nd, using main.scm doesn't have to be crap, ( who knows what other projects will bring this year) well my questions answered, i dont care if anybody cares, since i dont have to code good luck with blue

well i dont know much about blue as you, but i do know that what blokker said, and what is stated on the blue page is against eachother(or whatever its called in english). im not saying that i know more than them. and kurt, go and spam in the blasta section kid.

well i can't speak for GTA:C, but i know that GTAT can do it, because they've done it before. and the project which im going to betatest for, can also do it, but they preferred the other method. quote from infopage about blue: well if you are right, then the infopage is wrong, and it might need an update

well ok, but its not impossible to use the main.scm, since some other projects use it. well maybe i was a bit unclear, but it isnt the same as i meant. creating a 2nd scm, and leaving the main.scm unchanged, in stead of cleaning the main.scm(or most of it) and starting with that, because in option 2 you won't be able to play singleplayer. anyway the main.scm contains too many data, so i can understand that it was easier to create a new one. how come blue doesn't use any then?

yeah ok, i forgot the other file, but its the same thing. actually overwriting original game files, thats not what i meant. what i did mean is that instead of creating a "2nd file" like mta.scm, why not use the original one(main scm) but cleaned, so they are new as well? i mean the team had to create a new way to bypass the loading of the original files so you wont see start new game and stuff, but start multi theft auto. offcourse its better that no original files were changed, but saving a lot of work sounds better to me, but i don't know for sure, thats why im asking.

its good to see that some of you agree well yeah, but if somebody has broadband, he/she could still lag, if her/his pc is slow. Even if he/she has a fast pc there could be lag as well, due to some bugs. if you use the robber character a lot, you know what i mean. and as i said before, it looks like mta 0.4.1 requires more bandwith to run a server(not much, but still). so i hope mta 0.4.5 will be a little bit smoother(and hopefully my server will allow more players )

well ok, but wasn't it easier if you guys made a backup of the original scm, and cleaned the original scm, and started with the empty main.scm(or an scm with the standard features required for multiplayer)? in the current core/version the game starts via another way(i guess the mta client tells how to start it) so you wont see start game and stuff, but start multi theft auto. also this will be changed in blue right?

why are you guys(the team) using another scm for MTA, in stead of the main scm? (besides the fact that you will still be able to play singleplayer and multiplayer at the same time) there must be another reason, or am i wrong?

ok, i've seen some topics on some clan forums about the "good old days" (mta 0.3r2). well personally i had a lot of fun with mta 0.3r2, it was great. but i think its no fun to change mta 0.4.5 just like 0.3r2 was, but its better to combine the good parts from mta 0.4.1 and mta 0.3r2+ some extra changes 1. bringing the spaz back. i didn't use the spaz that often back in 0.3r2, but its a weapon, its great that it was there. the more weapons the better (except for the minigun, rocket launcher, sniper rifle etc.) i know it was overpowered, but thats why it should only be brought back in a pickup.(besides, not everybody knew where the spaz was) also the mp5 near cortez' should be removed then, and the flamethrower could be placed on the top of a plane at the airport(the other one on the 1st big island should not be changed). (the knives at the tool shop could be removed, because it doesn't add much gameplay) 2. spreading the spawn points ( i know its been discussed before). most action is still based on the 2nd island, but on a smaller part then in 0.3r2(because the robberspawn was at prawn island, and a lot of people chose mexican, a lot more than in the current version)- i don't expect that the spawns will be changed completely(too bad the 1st big island isn't so populated in public servers), so you (the mta team) could only change the robberspawn, like it used to be in 0.3r2, not much work. 3. giving the mexican a bit more power. back in 0.3r2, in combination with the molotov, it was very strong, a bit too strong, thats why the molo shouldn't be given back to the mexican. but in the current version the mexican is weak, even long range it sucks. thats why the m60 should be changed like it works in singeplayer/mta 0.3r2. also back in 0.3r2, if you killed a mexican, and picked up his ammo, you would gain a lot of bullets(sometimes a few 1000, even if you didn't have the m60 before). well i liked that, but also its good that its been fixed in the current version(though it hasn't been fixed for 100%, but thats not important right now), but it often happens that the mexican runs out of ammo, because it only has 75 bullets, maybe change it to 100 bullets(or 125 if you like). 4. (IF , and only IF) one of those options are going to be included: bring the cars back at prawn island/ or spread all cars from mta 0.4.1/mta 0.3r2 across the whole city 5. (if possible) fix the lag, so that it will be as smooth as mta 0.3r2 or even better. also as i saw on my server, it allowed more people on it in 0.3r2 than in 0.4.1 (before all pings were 1000) 6.(extra) if you take a look at the suggestions above, you will know that the crusader and Secret Service will be weak. thats why you could give the Secret Service 25 armor, and give the crusader a chrome shotgun in stead of the python. PS: if you guys aren't interested in such changes, and you will only fix a lot of crashes and stuff for mta vc (deathmatch), plz close the topic. otherwise plz read carefully. i think if such things are going to be included, some more people will play mta (again) till mta blue, since mta 0.3r2 was very popular. thats why i thought it would be a good idea to combine the best parts of both versions plus some extra things. i can remember that the official server was always full, and it took a lot of time before there was an empty spot , so i could connect End.

well i've made my point, but suddenly ppl start criticizing/flaming me, thats why im still here. plus your not the person who should tell me what to do, go command somebody else oh by the way, sparky started about my clan as well, so i had to reply

he who kicks my ass can expect a kick back. oh and kurty boy, even you care about my posts, otherwise you weren't here. AMEN

ahaha well im not yealous, i dont want to be arrogant, i dont want to be childish, DBC has had more than 40 members, we"ve played some nice matches in the eu league, we had a lot of fun, right now we rarely play. and sparky, before you started this thread i didn't hate you at all, but i didnt like some of your clan rules(and your attitude a bit). but right now its getting worser and worser. PS: kurt ill never give up, see ya in hell baby

montana has left the clan long ago, but nobody has ever proved that montana used bots in public servers...... (though he had admitted that he used mta expliot panel once, but he wasn't dbc any more at that time)and the other two got kicked right after they got caught. BTW remember a few months ago? when you were still in XII? there was a guy called [XII]M*GiC(everybody knew he cheated, some made some nice videos, but you guys still didnt want to believe that he cheated), you guys didnt know it was thanick, but it took some time before you guys knew the truth. well same thing for gotanks and stifler. we dont allow cheaters dude, if thats what you were saying. oh and falcon, im not shutting up. also i dont hate the rest of SIS.

first of all , we aren't arrogant, because (for example) we dont claim that we own and stuff. second the only two that have cheated in DBC were stifler and gotanks ,and they have been kicked long ago, third we dont glitch any more, but we did use the molo bug in 0.3 yes, but you and your ex clan did the same. as long as you keep bitching me off you can expect a reply.

well if im not allowed to answer here any more, what are you 2 doing here then? i mean, i had something to say about SIS, but the only thing that you are doing is trying to piss me off, well forget it.

look, its not that i have to agree with you all the time. i have a different view of some subjects (MTA BLUE, some persons). but im not ordering you to leave this topic am i? you have the same rights as i, so dont come with stuff like, go and play GTAT, and stop spamming, because thats bullshit.

im not going anywhere, you can walk to hell! i have the rights to give my opinion whether you like it or not.

first of all, im not a noob, second, you dont know me, third, me and madboy can criticize if we want to, and we know what we are talking about.

well i was talking about you and your clan, i have the right to give my opinion. and im just criticising you and your clan, im not calling you a bitch or something. well nobody is perfect, and im not saying that i am. but the clan rules, and your ego just make me laugh.

actually i would have been happy already if there was a mixed version of 0.4.1 and 0.3r2( and maybe some balance fixes+ a little less lag), so i could enjoy that , until blue is released or a new version from another multiplayer mod.

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if you said that before, then i wasn't arguïng with you but as i've seen in other topics, a lot of promises are being made, you know if they are true or false. I know MTA Blue is going to be a big improvement in compare to the old core, but i think its better not to blow things up.

well yes, but whats the point of posting it, if its unsure if it will be that good in the final version. i guess there are a lot of fans waiting for screenshots or movies. if thats not possible ,then the post wasn't very useful.

so? then eAi shouldn't say that, because it isn't a small thing what he is talking about.