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You don't want a new, bug-free version?

Changes are coming...

You will find out soon.

Well if things go well, you may regret saying that soon!

Besides LU, there actually aren't any that were ever completed, and as of this moment in time, LU still isn't done. GTA3:MTA (up to MTA 0.5) was the only one ever actually released.

Update!: We now have a site/forum at CENSORED for the team to use throughout the creation of this project. CENSORED, as you can see is in the URL. The reasoning behind that is because it is Latin for CENSORED. We decided that this fit fairly well given the situation, so for now the project is codenamed CENSORED.

Team has been updated. Kaltsu and TownCivilian have joined! We're on our way to a future of CENSORED!

Yes. TownCivilian, I've been trying to contact you forever. I need to speak with you... Do you have MSN?

I wanted to do that first, but the MTA Team won't allow it because they said the 0.5 code is too sloppy and unstable. That's why my plan is to rewrite the whole thing from scratch the way MTA:SA was done. I also want GTA 3 to still be supported in this. I'm not about to leave it out in the cold while I update it's other half.

But that's the thing. We know what does and doesn't work in the existing 0.5, and it would be a good means for a reference to what we already know about those things that do and don't work. It would also give us the ideas to make the "new" MTA backwards compatible with existing 0.5-based scripts. Keep in mind too that my goal here is to make it compatible with both of the GTA3:MTA and MTA:VC versions of the client. Why go through all the trouble to update one and not the other? Edit: Dev team being created! Be on the lookout for future updates! Oh snap:

Like I said before, it would be for reference reasons. If we start from scratch without any original references, it's more like a whole new multiplayer rather than rewriting the original from the ground up.

Why don't you? After all, MTA's source is available, you can just get some buddies and start branching it Actually, 0.5/Blue's isn't. MTA:SA's is, yes, but the former, no. I've actually tried to, but aside from becoming a developer, I don't think I have the power or permissions to go this far, and even then I'm screwed because I can't code anything but websites. I've actually tried for a long time to rally support for this though, and so far it's proved successful, but without the MTA Dev Team on my side, it's not going to go anywhere. Edit: I am officially requesting that the MTA Dev Team PLEASE open-source MTA 0.5 for 3/VC. I am trying to pull together an unofficial dev team to use the open-source information in MTA:SA's Blue Engine to revert it to 3/VC in open-source form similar to MTA:SA. Please guys, please open it up so we can atleast see where you began and left off. I would like the team to start it from scratch using MTA:SA's Blue Engine, but this information would be very useful in getting us started on the conversion. Also, anyone interested in joining this unofficial team, please contact me via PM!

Then what's the issue? Just recruit some people! There's plenty of them out there that have been begging for this opportunity just for that specific reason. TownCivilian is a perfect example of that. He has even joined the VC-O team just to try and make something come out of this. Trust me, I'm not saying to stick with the old 0.5 code. I want more than anything to have the latest code on those MP's as well lol. Remember the old MTA Blue page? It's still up there, and it still looks awesome. Now that you have almost everything in the SA area worked out, I'm sure alot of the existing code could be used towards 3 and VC easily, with minor adjustments.

So, now that MTA:SA is completed, aside from various future fixes and Linux server compiling, etc., is there any chance you guys are willing to re-open the MTA 0.5 area and possibly start rewriting the system and bring it back? Even if you believe it'd only be for legacy support, I guarantee that there will be enough users wanting it to make it worth your while. I can name one community on it's own that has thousands of users, many of which love MTA 0.5 for VC. If the bugs were worked out, I know for a fact even more of their users would switch over. Aside from that community, VC-O on it's own was enough proof to show VC's MP worthiness. Anyway, to finish this up quickly, I know you guys said you would put some consideration into the idea once MTA:SA was released, and I still would LOVE to see it happen. Please, for the sake of your most dedicated and oldest supporters, and for the lines of code that made MTA what it is today, please, please, please bring back the old MTA 0.5 and finish it!

I hope not yet either. I really want to see the older MTA's finished before they start a new one...

Well, unfortunately enough, it's not that easy. If it was, I'm sure they would have done it already lol. Nonetheless, if it were possible, I'd love to see them do it, minus the bugs.

Leave this topic and don't reply unless you have something actually worth contributing to this topic. I don't care if you think it's spam. By definition, it is not. Quit the flaming. I'm not going to have a moderator close this topic because you can't control your anger. Yes, I know the topics are annoying. Imagine how I feel constantly reposting them without major success to the subject. I'm not doing this to piss anyone off. I just want to bring back the glory days of the old games. So please, I'm asking this nicely; if you are going to flame, get out. All I want is people who are willing to contribute to the ideas, project, and issues surrounding it. This topic isn't about me supporting it, but is instead about supporting the project itself.

Isn't DX9 backwards compatible though?

Actually I've been creating petitions, spreading news, working with others on websites, correcting and updating information, trying to find alternatives, and persuade people to support and work on the project. I've sent out countless PM's and requested tons of information in order to even get the support back that it has now...

Yes and no. GTA: SA unfortunately is very different in many ways from GTA 3 and GTA: VC, so a mod would still require coding knowledge to rewrite the engine and the entire system just to get the basics running. We could use the Blue system originally created for MTA 0.6/Blue, but the MTA: SA version is a different form of that. This is why I've been so badly bugging them to either update MTA for GTA 3/VC, or open-source it.

Trust me. I've tried to learn many various programming languages. I can't do it...I struggle with Spanish as it is!

I don't see you trying to help...

I so badly wish. If anyone wants to get in contact with [LCK]Stoku, there may be a chance of it happening so long as GTA 3 is included with the VC version of the Blue Core. I'm pretty sure he can code, and he's about to start his own project for a GTA 3 multiplayer program.

Correction: It actually shows that users want it to be finished. The MTA Team has already told me that if they feel it's user base is still worth supporting, they may consider continuing the project in the future.

Hahaha. Thank you. Agreed. GTA3:MTA/MTA:VC, MTA:SA, and everything in between need to be completely finished before the MTA Team even thinks of starting another project as large as that.