=DA=NikateeN Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 I was just banned from partyserver because KFC Nazgul said i was flying a car when i was in the middle of picking my character.now i dont know whether hes got somethin against me or what but this is extremely aggervating im loosing the motivation to play a game i love.i dont cheat i wouldnt know how to if i wanted to so if somebody could plz unban me for this rediculous acusation it would be appreciated. ip is 64.113.114.110 thank you
Disaster Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 And what does that have to do with this board? Take it up with KFC not here "Be Shapeless like water If You put water in the cup it becomes the cup; you put water in the bottle it becomes the bottle; you put it in the teapot it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend." -Bruce Lee
Gamefreek Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Ye i was there and i have the log from when he got banned. [KFC]Nazgul: ban nikateen [KFC]Nazgul: he;'s cheating [KFC]Nazgul: flying cars NikateeN: what!? NikateeN has been kicked from the game. Thats all that happened, then i get banned for "modding"
Slothman Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 possible scenerio: nazgul could have had the names of player scrambled up, which happens when you join change servers without restarting vc. Check out my recent work: ZDay - a zombie script Slothbot - an AI deathmatch bot my community profile (all my resources)
dystopia Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 on two people tho? that's a bit unlikely, besides, nikateen had that handle, i was in there not too long before this banning. Nazgul also banned one of my members for cheating, but they just had a high ping. Perhaps someone should be taught how to determine cheating, ne? It makes you want to drink the sun
eAi Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Why doesn't someone make a comprehensive guide to whats cheating and what isn't, with some nice screenshots etc... We need somthing seriously n00b friendly (server admins) to cope with this kind of situation (it can only get better)... eAi
dystopia Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 http://www.dystopia.servehttp.com/bns/cheat.htm Actually i was working on one awhile ago, but school has gone and eaten all my time, anyone who wants to ammend can pm me and I'll gladly cite them. This compared to my final plan is maybe...30% complete. It makes you want to drink the sun
Slothman Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 i don't think that screenshots alone would be the best for teaching how to differentiate cheaters from lag. movies would have to be used. Check out my recent work: ZDay - a zombie script Slothbot - an AI deathmatch bot my community profile (all my resources)
EcksDee Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 I think the admins on most MTA servers, are a little too happy too ban someone. I am still pretty much a n00b in this game, I can kill someone etc... but I only know the basic rules. Like: no cheating, no modding you know the average stuff. But then I get in a server and I "helikill" someone. Then I get banned with the message "No helikilling", I mean I am banned from one of the good few Dutch servers where I have low ping etc... Without a warning or a kick first. The admins on this game are so n00b unfriendly. On a side note, I also think a lot people cheat. But that's probably because the health shower is screwed!
StAnToN Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 i will be working on this movie tyo dertermine chaters from laggers keep checking back this space for more news and info!
MasterEvilAce Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 I seriously suggest all ban logs be cleared when .4 hits.. Mainly because a lot of people are getting banned for cheating, and I've witnessed this (and had this happen to me, too).... a good majority of people weren't cheating, but because someone else "can't kill them!" (High ping, crappy aiming, or just now having the damage bar updating)... If you even mention someone is cheating, just, randomly, there's a high possibility of that person getting banned. Since .4 has a SPECTATOR option, it'll be easier to determine cheaters... thus,i think the banlogs should be cleared for .4, and before anyone gets banned, the admins should spectate that person
orappa Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 The trouble is, if the admins agree with you and clear their banlists, that will only affect the official servers. The admins on the official servers generally have a lot more experience of cheaters and so are less likely to ban unnecessarily than an enthusiastic first-timer on another server. MTA:SA FAQ - Read this before asking questions. MTA:SA Troubleshooting - Read this first if you have problems.
dystopia Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 spectator mode won't necessarily help due to lag issues either, the admin could see someone not being hit at all, or someone being hit all the time, while the 'cheater' sees someone shooting completely the wrong way :\ It makes you want to drink the sun
MasterEvilAce Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 spectator mode won't necessarily help due to lag issues either, the admin could see someone not being hit at all, or someone being hit all the time, while the 'cheater' sees someone shooting completely the wrong way :\well, I don't think anyone can say if that is true, except for the MTA team...or whoever has beta'd... Not sure how well spectator works, i'm just throwing this idea out there
Slothman Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 theres a question, when in spectater mode, does the person you are watching get "packet priority", is more info received from them so spectating looks smooth? or is that not even possible Check out my recent work: ZDay - a zombie script Slothbot - an AI deathmatch bot my community profile (all my resources)
orappa Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 spectator mode won't necessarily help due to lag issues either, the admin could see someone not being hit at all, or someone being hit all the time, while the 'cheater' sees someone shooting completely the wrong way :\ I think it's intended so that admins can see for themselves if someone is obviously cheating, e.g. flying cars. In order to test for more subtle cheating, e.g. health hacks, it would be best for the admin to enter the game and actually fight the person. MTA:SA FAQ - Read this before asking questions. MTA:SA Troubleshooting - Read this first if you have problems.
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