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Kalcor (SA-MP Team leader):

Just because another mod did something doesn't mean it's easily possible for SA-MP.

You're comparing SA-MP, a mod that was developed by self-research, with assistance from the GTA modding community, to MTA, a mod developed with the backing of Rockstar Games. MTA have access to the GTA:SA source code headers and debug information. Many of the comments in MTA's code are written by the people who made GTA San Andreas, not MTA developers.

There is no code in SA-MP derived from the GTA:SA source code. It's all our own work.

Oryginal: http://forum.sa-mp.com/showpost.php?p=1 ... ostcount=9

What do you think?

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Kalcor (SA-MP Team leader):
Just because another mod did something doesn't mean it's easily possible for SA-MP.

You're comparing SA-MP, a mod that was developed by self-research, with assistance from the GTA modding community, to MTA, a mod developed with the backing of Rockstar Games. MTA have access to the GTA:SA source code headers and debug information. Many of the comments in MTA's code are written by the people who made GTA San Andreas, not MTA developers.

There is no code in SA-MP derived from the GTA:SA source code. It's all our own work.

Oryginal: http://forum.sa-mp.com/showpost.php?p=1 ... ostcount=9

What do you think?

Kool story bro.

Rockstar Games stopped supporting the modding community since the hot coffee thing released.

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Kalcor - Samp Developer, I get it now.

What he wrote is a bunch of lies, you CANNOT compaer MTA to SAMP.

IRC Quotes:

Kevuwk: surely if we had the headers we would have included everything requested by now

True

Rockstar Games stopped supporting the modding community since the hot coffee thing released. lol

Which was in 2005.

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Best laugh i had in a while ...

Let's get this straight. Back in the good old days when Kalcor/Kye was still part of this team we had some informal contacts with R* North. When we got stuck, we asked them and they returned code snippets to the team if it was possible. We never got any official backing from R* nor had they any hand in the development of the mod.

Hot Coffee ended everything unfortunatly. The good men and women from R* became more carefull. Kye/Kalcor also had access to all this information and even though he splitted off before SA-MP was released he also uses the knowledge of everything he learned while part of the team. And back when we were developing blue for VC we didn't receive VC code snippets but SA code snippets because R* was already working on SA.

He always complain that we are bullying him, but who always throws the first punch?

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-ffs-Sniper Red-Headed Stepchild

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Best laugh i had in a while ...

Let's get this straight. Back in the good old days when Kalcor/Kye was still part of this team we had some informal contacts with R* North. When we got stuck, we asked them and they returned code snippets to the team of it was possible. We never got any official backing from R* nor had they any hand in the development of the mod.

Hot Coffee ended everything unfortunatly. The good men and women from R* became more carefull. Kye/Kalcor also had access to all this information and even though he splitted off before SA-MP was released he also uses the knowledge of everything he learned while part of the team. And back when we were developing blue for VC we didn't receive VC code snippets but SA code snippets because R* was already working on SA.

He always complain that we are bullying him, but who always throws the first punch?

+1. This post is worth posting it as news.

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Blokker_1999 Shooter

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+1. This post is worth posting it as news.

Would be better to link at SAMP forums.

Nope, would be removed before anyone would see it. Kalcor is verry strict about saying anything that would put him in a negative light. And let's not forget that he created *-MP out of hatred for MTA so defending this mods on his board really is a no-go.

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Edit 20th November 2018:

I have removed this comment.

I apologise for the words here that could have upset people. The post was written several years ago (before I started contributing to MTA itself) and is not representative of my views today.

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-ffs-Sniper Red-Headed Stepchild

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I would be really interested in someone to reverse-engineer the SA-MP, I still remember when MTA:Blue became OpenSource and SA-MP finally fixed tons of bugs. I find this topic pretty amusing and how Kalcor started another fight.

There should be a topic: "SA-MP is using MTA's OpenSource code"

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If MTA code exists in SA-MP, then it dosen't matter. MTA is open-source, bottom line. Anyone is free to use MTA code for their needs. It is not 'stealing'.

It's funny, Qais, that you would speculate on potential legal issues, when you have put yourself in a position to be prosecuted over copyright violations. Anyway..

Kye had his reasons for leaving the MTA team. He also had his reasons to keep SA-MP closed-source. He also has the right to moderate the SA-MP community like it's 1984.

Also, MTA did have access to some header files from the GTA:SA source, obtained through a R* insider. (That said, why is that even an issue?)

Before you take sides on this issue (and this goes with any issue in the history of the universe and bacon), you need to remember this:

There are two sides to every story.

Do I like Kye personally? No, not really. Do I think SA-MP is a moist pile of diarrhea? Sure (and I'd like to know what 'stupid design ideas' he disagrees with, just out of curiosity). Do I spend my time running around looking for a way to incite the MTA vs SAMP war? No, and nobody should. Don't just take sides on an issue without investigating deeper. That said, this isn't an issue worth investigating.

As I've said before,if you don't like SA-MP/hate Kye/love MTA just like I do, then focus on MTA and leave it at that. Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery.

TL;DR stop arguing and get back to playing your favorite GTA multiplayer mod - be it MTA, SAMP, or Rumble - and ignore any bickering from the other side.

jk Rumble sucks

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Quote it.

Also, one could say that they came to the same solution MTA has. Copy and pasting a small but of GPL-covered code into something as gargantuan as a GTA multiplayer mod does not mean you need to have to GPL the entire program.

Yes, but the code itself must be.

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And how do you know the Blue code that may or may not be present in SA-MP is not from when Kye was actually on the MTA team?

We can use google code svn revisions to compare dates of when features where added, and compare blue code to samp code (based on the version of samp)

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