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To be honest, some of you guys really do sound like you haven't played SA yet (no offence meant at all). yeah no kidding! The game is so awesome, how could anyone contain their excitement? The mear thought of that game possibly being online someday is overwhealming! I posted this thread to bring awareness to everyone. SA will be our future. Unless it can't play online. The game is slowly approaching closer to our hard drives! Can you feel the it? Sooo close... Must.... grab.... game..... and ........... beer!!!!!!!!!! I don't want a neutered SA either.. We need the full open world! Having dog fights with WW2 planes requires this. Players will just have to corodinate what they will be doing, but then again, there will be soo many cool mods that will do this for us.

WELL AH CRAP! I guess I am screwed untill I build a new pc then..... Once ya change mobos, you might as well replace it all. Later this year I wanted to get a amd 64 chip (fx maybe). Some of the upcomming games are gona be real power hogs. And I suppose that by christmas there will be GeForce 7800 GT's out. THX for the advice though people. I have decided to save my money ( I am a cheap bastard ) and wait for more worthy, decently priced hardware to exist.

No the problem is that a few of you actually enjoy playing a game with these hideous problems. THE VAST MAJORITY OF US GAMERS, do not enjoy a game where you can't hit the backside of a barn UNLESS YOU GLITCH... And that is boring IMO. This game will never !!!NEEEEVEEEEERRRR!!!! hit a large fanbase with the unsynched shooting problem. All of my friends don't play for that same reason. I enjoy it still, but only cause I like crashing cars around like a total jerk. BLUE will hopefully fix this dire problem. Or at least bring this to a decently playable state. Right now, anyone can run past machine gun fire and stubby all day...... What is so skillfull about that? IMHO Blue is going to scare older players away more then bring them back..... YEP! All the stubby players are gona freaking HATE blue

The future is getting closer people........ I was in walmart the other day, and I say thier release charts listing GTA SA for PC on june 7 as planned! Hell, I don't care if it won't play online for 5 months after release, SA on PC is gona freaking own. It is awesome on the PS2, but on the PC......, oh man..... I am getting goosebumps! I better get my difibulator ready, I'm gona have a lot of heart attacks.

Ah come on mr bump! I waz just having a lil fun is all. My little pc actually has 2 voodoo 2 12mb cards in SLI mode, plus a diamond viper 16mb tnt card to handle the 2d graphics. Really? A faster CPU would be better? Hmmm... I could get a 3200 XP amd chip (400 ddr) for only 125 bucks. With this I would see a good performance gain in games? The 3200 xp really only runs about 500 mhz faster then what I have now (2100 xp). Then again, it is cheap.... So basically, it would be a poor choice to get a 6800 GT, without getting a new chip slapped in first? I do like my 4200 TI, but I have had it for 2 years now I agree with you mad boy. I had a ATI card when my pc was new (radeon 7200 I think) and it freaking sucked. Nearly every game had some type of graphic glitch or another, so it seamed incompatible with some games. I am sure the newer cards are fine, but I am a NVIDIA junkie now.

"IF" blue syncs attacks properly, the new combat formula should look a little like this-- Player shoots at target, hit,miss,hit,miss,hit,hit,hit,kill. This formula is simular to most other online shooters. If the current MTA core is unable to perform like this, THEN YES!!! IT IS A LOST CAUSE! The declining player count is proff that the current core is going nowhere fast. IT SUCKS to play a shooting game in the way we have been for so long now. Now if blue is unable to properly sync attacks, then it too shall suck! I shout that in hopes the message is clear to all. BLUE WILL SUCK, if it does not handle attacks in syncronim. This is currently the greatest problem in MTA today, and nobody wants to return to vomit. I have good faith in blue however.

New players play MTA, shoot at thier targets, miss, miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss, hit , miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,hit,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,miss,hit, well you get the idea. SO WHO WOULDN'T ENJOY THIS STYLE OF PLAY? The stubby is effective, because you can cut out HALF of those misses easy. That is also why new players leave. No other reason is greater IMO. Now I think the old players leave because they want something more then this brainless formula of attack as well. Changing damage stats is not the solution. The solution is blue, and untill we get their, this game will still suffer from this terrible combat formula. ((I just want to add that I think the MTA team should say SCREW the current core, and work !EXCLUSIVELY! on BLUE. The current core is a lost cause\a waste of time. Just work fast, and get blue out!))

I last played MTA yesterday for about 10 minutes. Before that I had not touched it in weeks. The 7 day forecast looks grim, with no planned games of MTA for me. I am waiting for the game to be fun, or for a funner game to be released. I like the new version of MTA the best of all versions. BUT! I have played MTA to death already on the older versions. I am bored of unsynced combat, and a stunt mode that makes poor use of certain areas. (everyone just takes funhouse spawn) IMO the nitro cars belong on the airstrip, and the airstrip its'self needs loops, halfpipes ect.

So you are saying goodbye for good yet a few lines later you say that you'll probably be back. I am confused. anyways....... I'd like to take this time to say HELLO to everyone in this goodbye thread. I will probably not say hello ever again, but I might when blue is released. I wish to acknowledge the following people as cool- nearly everyone here. Now I will put out my bad list, of people I don't like.-- That guy right there sucks and that guy over here oh, almost missed him, yep he sucks That guy over there is a fking a$$hole And that chick over younder.... She is a real b!tch. See that dude in the corner? He sucks b@lls Ok, now that grizzly task is complete I just want to again say HELLO, and remind everyone that I won't, yet probably will say it again when blue is released.

Indeed, this is the greatest of needs. If shooting people was as responsive as it is in other online games, DM would rock. The main reason I rarely fight in MTA, is because I hate the "shoot 20 times, to hopefully hit your target" BS. The stubby would not have a chance if only this game synced attacks properly Right now, players just run past machine gun fire like this is the fking matrix or something Taking out the stubby now is not the solution. EVERY GUN SUCKS TO USE RIGHT NOW. They have to get the attacks synced for DM to ever be fun\fair for the masses. I know saying that does not make me popular, but it is true fellows. "IF" blue syncs attacks, your stubby dominance days are over. I do not hate the stubby. I hate how it is currently the only gun that can sync decently enough to be effective.

At this rate of player loss, we'll be lucky if 2 people are playing MTA the day SA is released. Ok ok ok.... So maybe we'll have a whole 20 people playing that day. There, does that sound more realistic? If blue is somehow released before this day, then the numbers will be more like 200 I suppose.

Yep! There will be like 2 people playing MTA that day. As much as I love playing SA on the ps2 (it is fun) I can't stop thinking--- " oh man, this is going to be sooooooooo much better on the pc!!! " Like mouse aiming And faster, smoother, higher res graphics! It has become difficult for me to play SA on the ps2, because I want these features so bad! oh, sorry about the spelling error on the thread topic (thx for fixing that) I never use a spell checker cause I am too lazy.

Blue is not MTA .01 to 5.X.. It is a brand new beast. Things that are nearly immpossible to implement now, become easy to achive with blue later. Considering how important it is for the team to create a online mod for SA, I think this is the correct time to start pitching support\ideas\thoughts. Besides, what else are we gona do around here for excitement? I think SA is more the possible for the following reasons. 1= It uses an advanced version of the same engine which powered GTA3\VC. The team should have little trouble converting data over to this. 2= The blue code sounds like it is very advanced stuff, and will probably be 80% compatible with SA. 3= Are we not playing GTA3\VC online now? That in of its'self speaks volumes. The only way I see SA not going online, is if the team who is porting it to the PC, codes it in a way that will prevent it from ever happening.

No need to hope, it is guarenteed. As long as blue lives up to 75% of the expectations, it will do wonders for player counts. Blue is more for the players who have left. SA online is more for the new players yet to discover MTA.

Ok, now there is another issue I'd like to discuss a little. SAN ANDREAS IS TOO BIG FOR ONLINE PLAY? Why? Because of lag?? Lag is not an issue if you have the same amount of players, and the same amount of vehicles as we have now. The lag would be nearly identicle. Things like buildings, landscape data, ect, are not sent as information over the net. ONLY VEHICLES, PLAYER LOCATIONS and other misc info are. The size of the game will hardly affect the lag, provided your pc is decent enough to play SA. Now, too big for only 26 players? That is definately a much more convincing point. But then again, one could say " VICE CITY is too big ". Should we shorten that up too? Hell, the first island is hardly used, lets cut that out.... People will populate the more fun areas, just as they do now. It is impractical to neuter SA. For a first release, the team could just concentrate on the more fun areas, and have the entire world opened up to explore, for those who wish to do so. It would be harder to isolate the game into individual sections, then to just put the good spawns close together ect. So I think that will end up being the final choice. I don't speak for the team, but I'll bet my money on that theory. ( a whole 3 dollars and 55 cents ) Of course, please consider the possibility that the BLUE code will allow for more then 26 players.

I have a geforce TI 4200 128mb ddr video card. Would it be a smart buy, to get a geforce 6800 GT 256mb for $330? I will not even consider ATI cards, and NVIDIA cards don't really have a sweat spot in the price range right now. Price vs. power, this is about the best from what I can see from the NVIDIA side. My card is great for GTA VC, but lagging bad in newer games. What do you guys recommend? my pc stats-- 2100xp AMD chip 1 gig ddr 400 ram

Like I pointed out in other threads.--- Except for the few dedicated players here, the vast majority are bored of the same old experience. The numbers will not dramatically change, untill blue comes out, or SA. Blue will bring a lot of players back, but nothing like what SA is gona bring. I think what you are saying is---- Make MTA like 3.2 and it will be populated again.. And I say-- Even if 5.1 was like 3.2, the player count would not change much from now till blue.

MULTI THEFT AUTO RED, for SAN ANDREAS? I like it. Red for the blood we will all be spilling Yeah, I hope you guys understand my point well-- the domination thingy. What I mean is, this forum will be absolutly bombarded with questions from hundreds of noobs all asking something along the lines of--- " WHEN WILL MTA WORK WITH SAN ANDREAS? " Get ready to hear this a lot in our future. (like just after june 7) A sticky will have to be made about that to prevent a hundred identicle threads. SA will bring a huge surge of new and lost players back to MTA. To say, SA is not important, or is not the future, or won't be that good online ect, is irrelevant. It is the future and that is the bottom line. The few hundred active GTA3\VC players ain't piss compared to what SA will bring in. And even though the majority here now seems to think lowly of SA, there are millions of others like me, who think it pwns GTA3\VC. I am willing to bet, we will be playing each other in basket ball in SA before the end of this year..... And if everything goes well, it will even be synched! Wonderfull to hear that the team is preparing for SA, you guys rule!

ransom- It is ok, you don't have to argue. My greatest point can't be disputed. That point is-- We are nothing. We represent a small fraction of the incomming players in the future of MTA. Everything we say is irrelevent. A legion of SA players will arrive and dominate. Why? Because it is new. (hot). that is the future. I am surprised some of ya don't care for SA that much. It blows the crap outa GTA3 and VC combined. Ah well, to each his own.

err, that guy in the cornor over there! Is it just me, or did I imagine seeing those posts where everyone is bashing 5.0? If they are this angry already, then how will they feel about the next release, when it does not have XXX feature, or XXX was changed. The crowd is getting restless. But again, just my opinion. LOL! Talidan... Why build that stuff for VC when it comes standard issue with SA? You make a good point though, about the hype for online VC. But this situation is different because SA will obviously be using BLUE right away. They should have far less problems putting in the cool stuff then you'd think. Most of the things I mentions about being in SA online, are not challanges for the team. Simply a matter of placing certain vehicles at certain locations. Idea- Make a BOY SCOUTS spawn, at the mountain base, and they start next to the mountain bicycles at the race start line. easy stuff. Now let me get very blunt and very serious (at the risk of earning some real hatred). WE, THE CURRENT SMALL GRAND THEFT AUTO ONLINE COMMUNITY, AIN'T SH!T COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF NEWCOMMERS THAT WILL ARRIVE FOR SA ONLINE. No doubt the game will sell at least a million copies for PC. And a large number of them will be DESPARATE to play this b!tch online ASAP! The MTA team, can not afford to screw around with the redundant old GTA games when SA comes out.. And the few fans who don't like this fact, can kiss my smiley face l2ebel, can I ask a VERY personal question?.... Please... Don't be offended.... We are all gamers here.......... You can be honest with us, we won't laugh (much). Have you...... oh man, I really am uncomfortable asking this..... Er.... Have you actually ........ well,..... you know...... sorta..... uhmm...... !PLAYED! GTA san andreas for the PS2 yet? Don't be shy man, I wana know.... That does not make me gay does it? - Wanting to know if anyone else plays with thier playstation...... That is not gay right?... I mean.... We've all had fantasies about playing with a playstation at one point in time or another right? OH GAWD! WHO AM I KIDDING!.... Ok forget what I said, I LOVE OLD MOTHERBOARDS............. OH WAIT! NO! I mean I love video cards...... huff huff huff....... whew!! I hope I get out of this one alive. The last thing I need is having my GAMING prefrences come under question agian.... But since they will--- I did not choose to like other PlayStations.... I was just born this way. Playstation pride! ( the color of black? ) NO! I am kidding, I am not consol gay, in fact- I jacked your MOTHERBOARD and that is why you have that ugly r3t@rded old video card! sorry dude, but yer motherboard is freaking hot! ooooo, I just love the way she'd say--- YOU'VE GOT MAIL!

Yeah, I don't have any clue what I am talking about And I am talking to the people who posted here saying this will take forever to build (SA MTA) also to other vets who are thinking such evil thoughts I can't blame ya for not reading though, my posts are long. Here, let me do a quick recap of what I am saying " MTA vice and 3, are getting very boring. The player count is falling. This is not MTA's fault, the games are just old. MTA will have a bright furture with SA, and I hope all efforts are concentrated on it when it is released for PC on June 7." NO?...... wait, that is not it..... I was talking about how many things can be done in SA. Look, I know it will be a lot of work for the MTA team. And thier blue core is maybe 68% now? But they don't have a choice. This is thier thing, this is what they do. Did it take them all that long to get VC online after it came out? BLUE will make VC and GTA3 much better, sure. However, player built mods for it will take how long? One thing I have learned in my modding caree, is that MOST larger modifications never make it, and when they do, take ages to build to a BETA state. GTA3, VC are not the future. The current player count can't get much worse. At the end of the year, how many people will be playing VC or GTA3 online? How many for a daily average?? Now how many will be playing SA? The purpose of this thread, is to wake people up. They are so angry\dissapointed at the current version of MTA, that they forgot where this is going, and what it was about. When the fine folks started working on MTA, did they think "hmmm, We need a online version of GTA so we can unsychly jump glitch all day with the stubby" ? NO! It was about getting players (people) online, together, in this fantastic world that is GTA. Blue,San Andreas is what they need to go that extra step forward.

Yes, I base my faith in SA online, on the BLUE technology. How can you people have soo little faith? Don't look at how long the team took to get (here). Look at where they ARE, and where they are headed. There is no reason, they would not be able to implement BLUE into SA online within a reasonable amount of time. SAN ANDREAS uses the same old GTA3 engine (enhanced). This is not a new engine, thus it should fit LIKE A GLOVE to the MTA team. You people doubt way too much. MOST of the features I have mentioned, are WORKING in the current game of SA for the PS2, and most of these features DO NOT DEPEND on advanced things\scripts to function. They should cause little lag. WOULD A BIKE RACE UP THE MOUNTAIN BE HARD TO DO? No. Put a few bikes at the start, and that is it. The parachutes (item pickups) can be at the top, to allow for skydives, with great ease and little reason for added lag. It would take what? 1 hour by the team to setup? Sky Diving from planes with friends would also be super easy to do. Just pickup your friends in a plane, fly high, jump out! When you enter most types of planes in SA, you automatically get a parachute. easy stuff. How about BMX stunting with friends? EASY! Place bikes at the stunt park. No need for advanced code of any kind. How about WW2 fighter plane dog fights? SIMPLE! Just place the fighter planes around in the world, and have at it! BLUE should have the mounted machine guns synced. EASY! How about the SEMI truck races with the trailor attachments? Just place semi trucks with the trailors on the map! Players can then say, "HEY! LETS RACE THESE MOFOS!" EASY! How about a demolition derby? There is bloodring pit in SA, and it has already been done in VICE CITY. EASY. How about Air Shows? Easy!!!! Just get you n yer friends to an airport, and showcase your insaine stunts! How about Tweaked out car competitions? Well, seing as how MTA has working menus for character selection ect, this too should be do-able for them in time. Players would use the hydrolics to bounce their cars ect. (could come in a later version) Maybe some things will be hard to implement. BUT THE BASIC THINGS are no brainers, and offer a huge selection of fun things to do besides basic combat. BMX for example. San Andreas will require a better PC to play. This is the real world of games. Either you advance your hardware to keep up, or you don't share the joy. The game can't be toned down just to please a few unfortunate players, cause thier internet sucks ect. The majority of gamers have broadband now. By the end of this year, the broadband percentage will only be higher. BLUE is gona rock. And with such technology running SA online, I think having the full open world is more then possible. But if not, then I'd say servers will just have to run 1 chosen map of 3 at a time. Their is no reason to doubt that the MTA team couldn't whip out a decent beta for us by the end of summer. AND NO! The team should not wait for a decent first version. If they had done that with VICE CITY and GTA3, we would still be waiting! (joking) SA is the same engine. I have full confidence, that the now expert MTA team will be able to work magic with it. SO SHOULD WE ALL STOP PLAYING VICE CITY AND GTA3? NO!!!!!! I am mearly saying, I won't be anymore. I am bored of them. If you people aren't bored yet, GREAT! But trust me, SA is awesome! IF you people had actually played it, you would see why I am so excited. The moment I first played the game, and saw the wonderfull hilly landscapes (even in cities) I was dreaming of this sucker being online! Jumping my pimped out nitro bada$$ car off the highrise freeways! Sure, some cool things CAN be done in VC, but not much. Just racing and combat. The advanced stunt mode we have now, can not hold a candle to the normal standard SA and it's awesome array of fun things to do. Did I mention you can also drive trains in the game? YEP!!! You can even derail them if you go too fast too long! I am glad you people still enjoy the old games more then I do. Whether you people realize it or not. SA is the future of MTA, pure and simple. It will reach a far greater fan base, it will generate a larger online community then VC or 3 ever has. And this will all happen sooner then you think. Best of all, it will be one giant leap forwards to a more virtual immersive online experience. June is not that far away! And if I am playing SA online by the end of this year, I'll be happy. I am gona chase ya'll down with my combine harvester I reckon!

You are offended. I appologize. You are not the problem, and I believe what you say about yourself. BUT! If only I had saved the screen shots, of the countless times, I have seen a KFC player cussing out another player, over some stupid stuff. I am not angry at you kung (it is not your fault), I am not angry at KFC, I am angry at the community in general, for nearly everyone is guilty of this. Not just KFC. Hell, even NOOBS call each other horrid names from time to time. What strikes me as ODD about this game, is the percentage of angry/offensive players to happy\pleasant ones. I don't see soo much foul stuff in other games. Sure, every game has evil players, but MTA seems to be loaded with them. Kids should not be playing this M rated game, but even adults don't like being cussed out every time they beat a vet player. Then the "HE CHEATS" stuff starts erupting in every game, and oh Gawd, do people loose thier mouths then. Noobs get angry and cuss out vet players, not realizing it is not cheating but glitching ect, then the vets start cussing out the noob RATHER THEN EXPLAIN TO HIM why it appears he is cheating. (back on topic) So why is there less people in the rooms? Well, all of these presented issues play a part. But the real problem, is everyone is just getting bored of this old game.

Well, I have not been playing MTA for quite some time now. Like everyone else I find myself tired of 5.0. Did I have more fun with 3.2?........................ yes! BUT ONLY BECUASE IT WAS NEW TO ME BACK THEN! Face it, the real problem here, isn't that 5.0 sucks, IT IS THAT WE ARE ALL TIRED OF THE SAME OLD GAME on a gerneral level. For YEARS we have played this same aged game. For YEARS! Now if 5.0 came out at the same time as 3.2, I would have had more fun with 5.0 and spent more time in it, then I would with 3.2. You veterans say 5.0 sucks cause BLAH BLAH BLAH is missing, or BLAH BLAH BLAH was changed. Bullshat! You are just like me. You are just bored of the same old thing... day after day, year after year. Fixing the stubby will do what? Fixing the m60 will do what? Allow you to perform the same old kill? Relive the same old experiences? Is this what MTA was really about? No, I think the real problem with NOW, is we are ready for the NEW. Even if Vice City, and GTA3 played perfectly synched and smooth, I would still personally be kinda bored. Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas. ...... This is our furture. This is our promised land. Finally a game, that does not have to revolve around combat, in order to be fun. We can all get together and have bicycle races up the mountain race track, then skydive together with parachutes (cliff diving) Gamble together in the casinos. Have SEMI TRUCK races, with attached trailors, (you loose if you loose your trailor) Fly together and skydive HAVE FASHION SHOWS!!! (my guy would win for sure- FAT, no shirt, White socks, Sandles, dorky glasses, an no hat.) Demolition Derby Races across a variety of exciting places WW2 DOG FIGHTS WITH THE RED BARRON PLANES (the mounted machine guns work in this game) Cops and Robbers HIGH SPEED CHASES! The criminal can head for the hills and hide in rivers, bushes ect. Swimming contests, or diving adventures anyone? AIR SHOWS Dance Competitions Tweaked out car competitions BMX stunt bike competitions! (there is a BMX concrete park in this game!) TONS OF OTHER THINGS, and this does not even include the great combat possibilities!!! Who in the hell ever said MTA had to be mainly about combat? Getting online together, having other HUMANS in this world is what it was ORIGINALLY about. SCREW GRAND THEFT AUTO 3, and SCREW GRAND THEFT AUTO VICE CITY! JUNE 7, GTA, SA is out for PC. We need it. And we NEED a working version of MTA for it ASAP!!!!! I am done with the current games. Done. DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS TOPIC, UNLESS YOU HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED SAN ANDREAS!!!!! EVEN IF YOU ARE THE DEVELOPER OF MTA, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS, UNTILL YOU PLAY SA!!!! AND PLAY IT NOW!!!!!! it is that good. The online possibilities are unlimited. now if you will all excuse me, I am going to my bro in laws house to play it on his PS2 again.

Wonderfull points kungfu. SOOOOOOOO MANY people are called "fucking noob" all the time, it is just sickening. And when people like me, stand up for those people, we are also called "fucking noobs" KFC is VERY GUILTY of this (in the past), along with almost every last other clan. I certainly hope you guys follow this new found religion of (be fair to noobs) for it is a noble cause. I too try to help people, when they ask a question. I was a noob once apon a time, and I remember how I was treated by the so called VETS. ha.... more the like the GLETS (veteran glitchers) I want to remind all the vets, that if this were any other game (unreal tourny) THESE NOOBS, WOULD OWN YOUR ASSES! or at least have a fair chance. So yes, when you call them a horrid name, they go back to thier unreal tournament games where they can compete.