Zantei

Total crap? Splinter cell's engine is derived from unreal and to use something as memory hungry as that on the scale you're suggesting would be folly.

Everyone needs to calm down and pull out a dictionary before posting replies

You needn't concern yourself with hidden viruses or spyware. This mod is held in high regard by many gaming communities and has caught the attention of many a high profile magazine. Given that the current release is unstable and limited in it's operation, it's sole existence is to prove just what you are asking, the mod is indeed an authentic "work in progress endeavour". I was beta testing it (v0.3b) today with 26 people and, as to be expected, there are problems when it's put under so much stress. You seem to have experience with prior GTA titles and so you're no doubt familiar with the bandwidth requirements of the networked sessions. As it stands the beta allows for players to drive, run , walk and shoot. It's no lie

That stands to reason but the time taken to perform such feats is immeasurable. Their team better have exceptional tolerance when it comes to down patience.

It's all weird For me it was like this, Excited guy (Redspike) shows up, with bad english, and starts screaming that he's an official dedicated server for MTA in everyone's face and keeps telling people that he is someone important, yeah that's great. He's then made a moderator ;P . He goes on to say he's going to glue together the cities or something =) It's a little too ambitious if you ask me. I hope I'm proven wrong mind.

it came too late ;P

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We've always been equal =)

The development of extra game types does not inhibit the construction process of the core mod. You are woefully ill informed it seems from your absurd requests. Releasing the mod as it is now would only be to the detriment of this community once a competitor releases a more stable version. That and the time it takes to compile a release candidate would only delay a more complete version in the future. It is widely known throughout this community how the initial release has affected the fan-base and the team aren't in a hurry to repeat past mistakes. If anything your request is based on selfishness in it's purest form and any claim you make regarding potential donations are nothing short of absurd given your status as just another drooling fan. It's clear that you didn't bother to think things through when you typed that out. The team, as you are well aware, does not need to be reminded of how eagerly the community anticipates the next release.

MTA:VC to me seems to be the more distinctive of choices. If both mods are going to be hosted on the same site it might be an idea to keep the standardization in naming so as to avoid confusion in the fan base that resides not only within the site but outisde too.

It doesn't bother me in that sense MrBill, I was given the opportunity to become a moderator but I declined. I'll admit that I'm very shocked you ever became a moderator, it's done nothing but harm for the community. You seem to think you can justify your actions in the name of fun which only goes to show how immature you are and the fact that you edit posts to instill tension after a thread is locked says even worst for your character. Maybe you don't realise the damage you've caused but the least you can do is make amends. You've driven away many potential posters and fans who were ready to take this forum seriously (you can see it from some of the reactions in this thread). I think I deserve some credit for working out what you were trying to say just now. I'm going to stop making references to you as it only does more damage and makes my motives seem questionable. Edit by Zantei : MrBill, both the dedication and energy you have in regards to this MOD is easily misinterpreted. It's clear you mean well but the only flaw you've ever had was a lack of tolerance which can reflect on people in a different light. I don't have any feelings of contempt for you. The only thing that bothers me slightly is that you don't realise the damage moderators can do when they become careless. When people come to a community like MTA, they do it with the utmost respect. They respect both the team and the moderators that hold it together but when, for lack of a better word, you piss on them, it can affect said party and readers very badly. Now I'm apologizing to you for any grief I may have caused.

You're perfectly right, I know I sound like a know it all but rest assured my intentions are pure. I haven't left any feedback relating directly to the gameplay mechanics, very odd for me. Given time I'll post my contribution but I want to take this opportunity to apologize for being so presumptuous in my dialogue. It's driven by me being a witness to many a community relations tragedy and really wanting to offer some constructive criticism that won't be overlooked. The team, including yourself, are very unique in that sense, you do accept criticism from your members and won't refute arguments without applying immaculate reasoning beforehand. However, I do think it very important that the members should be encouraged to post ideas without fear of being chastised by the minority of bad moderators and various forum goers. Thanks from me for your time and work. -Zantei

You make it sound as though the only reason you have for forums is to hear praise. Maybe I misinterpreted everything you said but it sounds very much as though you've made the fans out to be something of a scapegoat for the general unrest that exists on these boards. This last paragraph seems to contradict your entire message. As for this forum community, it will die, it's doomed to a complete change of theme after the release of the "finished product". The people who post during the development of a title make up the minority of the player-base after release but are also the most enthusiatic about it. If there's a problem it's a moderator's job to find out what it is and react accordingly. It's fantastic that you've allowed the community in on the development of MTA but be ready for a fluctuation in the mood at different stages These people feel strongly for the mod and so they believe fiercely in what they say. Edit by Zantei: One of them was but he's been dealt with. Thankfully the damage he did was not irreparable.

MrBill, you close threads in an endeavour to keep the peace but the way you closed some of yours negates the entire concept of moderating... https://forum.multitheftauto.com/viewtop ... highlight=

Since there's so little media and mostly coding I doubt you'd have to worry very much about the download size of the finished product. That is unless the team undergoes a radical change in their objective.

Those examples do seem harsh I admit. Given the lack of new information it's only natural for forum members to discuss things that might seem somewhat repetitive or even rhetorical. Moderators shouldn't be looking for excuses to close topics, that's abuse of power, but looking for the ones that instill tension or fail to promote active discussion. Deleting topics ceaselessly in the name of keeping the peace is all very well but the peace we have in mind is the discouragement of hostile posts and not the peace that comes with people not bothering to post anything for fear of being chastised.

I think it's clear that a rather impulsive decision, such as releasing the source code to the entire GTA3 community, would do far more harm than good. It might contribute to the overall endeavour but there are factors you need to take into account given the nature of this project. Exploits being made evident is not something a sane body of coders would wish for in a networked gaming environment. That and the fact that if the community becomes dispersed due to an increasingly growing collection of second-rate modders then the entire GTA3 MTA endeavour would lose all of its cohesion. This attitude is highly detrimental to development as while it may prove difficult or unrealistic to say cheating can be removed entirely, the progression of it can be inhibited thanks to the source being in-house and unavailable to the unwashed masses. =) -Zantei

Don't forget synced object damage like traffic lights ;P

For the 5th time, I'm not saying it again, it's called feedback. Complaining is when people mock a subject without any explanation whatsoever. You ask how I can complain? Does that mean you think everything the team does is perfect and flawless? Are you one of those undesirable factors that worship everything for no reason? If so, you can only be detrimental to this project. Yes, that's why I addressed it last................. Yeah...you obviously need to re-read from the beginning. As for me spending too much time on this thread, I've said it'll be the only one I'll actively participate in already and so I'll grace everyone with a fair reply if that's not too much to ask...

It's nothing to do with the mods. It's to do with the publicity they've been receiving in gaming magazines... We're talking about mods for christ's sake, do they really need to be told it's offensive and if anything it shows a lack of the ability to express oneself... What for exactly? Being a mod isn't meant to be a form of recreation...you have a job to do, if you don't want to do it then resign...Do you people think administration is fun or somehting? If any of you think this is a "bash the mods thread" then it's quite shocking as this must be the only feedback you've received from your community. Well now you know.

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MrBill You've obviously failed to comprehend the original post. It's not just in regards as to how the moderators abuse the english language it's also their painfully obvious lack of maturity. I saw you in the IRC room just now... After which some magnificent twit went on to talk about "groovy jeans" and "role models" in todays society =) So if I were going to review you I'd say... Comprehension skills 30% Maturity 20% Grammar 25% You told me it was all in the name of fun. Nothing wrong with having "fun" but don't do it as a mod. Your fun actually drives the thoughtful posts away and discourages them due to very few people having the mental capacity it takes to form a single coherent sentence in their replies... I have a good sense of humour though it is not decadent. You didn't even notice I was in the same room until I quoted you, must have been a bit of a shock I'm going to stop here, that was patheti....never mind. Edit : I'll edit your opst with all the errors and typos I want thank you very much, and I dont care IF you were in the chan, at all or ever, I'm glade you saw it, and you could post it, to show how immature YOU are

That's going by the rather inaccurate progress display on the main page

The current release is extremely unstable and limited in it's operation. Next release, which could be any day, should fulfill your criteria.

Yes, the current standardization regarding the administration of various forum communities (and free games/mods in particular) requires that a newcomer does have to search through a sea of somewhat meaningless posts in an endeavour to find something resembling an answer, but... ...the extent of a problem goes only so far as it's allowed. It most probably isn't possible to eradicate the problems you see in communities but you can inhibit them as Blokker has started doing. It's just a matter of learning via experience from here on in/out.